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    Re: In good sign, job losses slow as unemployment dips

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This ain't no where close to being over. It'll be fall, then winter, before long and the winter months are always the slowest. We ain't seen nothin' yet.
    Wishful thinking on your part I'm certain.

    For the sake of America....I hope you are wrong.
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    Re: In good sign, job losses slow as unemployment dips

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I got into this same discussion a week ago with another member of this ilk....

    Who basically said, if the economy continues to struggle its all Obama's fault. If it improves....well....that's just "natural cycle".

    I tried to get him to commit to a deal whereby I agreed that if the economy doesn't improve Obama should take the blame....if it improves he should get the credit.

    Any guesses on whether the "good Rev" was willing to commit?
    Remember in a speech I think back in May or June, the President took responsibility for the economy, to which the right said fine, we will hold you to it. So in that case, if they want to blather about bad news, then they have to acknowledge honestly the good news.

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    Re: In good sign, job losses slow as unemployment dips

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Remember in a speech I think back in May or June, the President took responsibility for the economy, to which the right said fine, we will hold you to it. So in that case, if they want to blather about bad news, then they have to acknowledge honestly the good news.
    Don't hold your breath.....that's all I can say.
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    Re: In good sign, job losses slow as unemployment dips

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    You can not have it both ways...do you understand this? You can not go around saying if bad news comes that it is his fault and responsibility, and if good news comes say it is for another reason. Either you own it or you do not.
    Absolutely correct! Own it or you do not. Please link the post where I stated he is to blame for anything. Good luck.

    With that said, how are Obama's policies responsible for the news of better then expected jobs report? No answer as of yet, but the claim is made.

    I can hear crickets chirping.
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    Re: In good sign, job losses slow as unemployment dips

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wishful thinking on your part I'm certain.

    For the sake of America....I hope you are wrong.
    It's not wishful thinking. It's fact. Alot of jobs in this country are seasonal and the industries that support those jobs are effected by that winter slowdown. It happens every year. NOW was the time to create new jobs and boost the economy. But, they blew that chance. Don't expect the economy to boom again, until the Libbos aren't in office anymore.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: In good sign, job losses slow as unemployment dips

    Well this is certainly not the gloom and doom that has been predicted..

    Dropped 1/10th of a point...that is far less worse than many people have been jumping up and down and praying for.

    I think that deserves a boost in the poll numbers....expect it.

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    Re: In good sign, job losses slow as unemployment dips

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Well this is certainly not the gloom and doom that has been predicted..

    Dropped 1/10th of a point...that is far less worse than many people have been jumping up and down and praying for.

    I think that deserves a boost in the poll numbers....expect it.
    No, it's worse.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: In good sign, job losses slow as unemployment dips

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    You can not have it both ways...do you understand this? You can not go around saying if bad news comes that it is his fault and responsibility, and if good news comes say it is for another reason. Either you own it or you do not.
    Except no critic of Dear Leader has attempted to have it both ways.

    Dear Leader did not cause the recession--and no one is arguing that he did.

    Dear Leader did not cause the financial crisis--and no one is arguing that he did.

    Dear Leader did not cause unemployment to rise--and no one is arguing that he did.

    Dear Leader did spend $787 Billion of Ben Bernanke's newly printed greenbacks, ostensibly to keep unemployment below 9%--and that did not happen.

    Dear Leader spent the second half of the $700 Billion TARP bailout to get banks lending again--and that has not happened to any great degree; credit is still dear, bank balance sheets are still clogged with "toxic" assets.

    Dear Leader is not pilloried for the bad results, but for choosing incorrect and unsuccessful methods to mitigate the continued bad results. The reality is the stimulus bill cannot have been the causative agent in this downturn in unemployment, for the simple reason that most of the putative "stimulus" in the bill has not entered the economy yet (and the most generous economist estimate is that 12% of the bill is actual economic stimulus).

    Just as Dear Leader is not pilloried for causing the bad results, he is not praised for causing the good results. As he was not the cause for either, in discussing either the proper thing to do with Dear Leader is to disregard him.

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    Re: In good sign, job losses slow as unemployment dips

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Dear Leader did not cause unemployment to rise--and no one is arguing that he did.
    I'll argue that he did. Policies such as cap and trade have cause companies to cut back on production, especially energy companies (coal and oil), in fear of getting hammered with new taxes. Tax breaks given to oil and gas producers have already been recended. Cap and trade would disallow oil companies to right off things like employee salaries and normal expenses involved in the industry. No company is going to survive if they have to pay taxes on the money they paid to employees, as if it were revenue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: In good sign, job losses slow as unemployment dips

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    I'll argue that he did. Policies such as cap and trade have cause companies to cut back on production, especially energy companies (coal and oil), in fear of getting hammered with new taxes.
    Cap and Trade has not passed Senate so it is not yet law. But I agree that if it were to become law the economy would be hurt.

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