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    Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    And I have no plans on reading it! Because it will likely change numerous times before a final version is passed by both chambers.
    Here's the Cliff's Notes version for ya. Part 2

    PG 502 Section 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. – Hello Big Brother – Literally.

    PG 502 Line 5-18 Government builds the “Center” to conduct, support, & synthesize research to define our HealthCare Services.

    PG 503 Line 13-19 Government will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic medical records.

    PG 503 Line 21-25 Government may secure data directly from any department or agency of the US including your data.

    PG 504 Line 6-10 The “Center” will collect data both published & unpublished (that means public & your private info)

    PG 506 Line 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data

    PG 518 Line 21-25 The Commission will have input from HealthCare consumer reps – Can you say unions & ACORN?

    PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.

    PG 525-620 deals with the Government basically taking over nursing homes,

    PGs 525-620 deals with the Govt basically taking over nursing homes,long-term care facilities (think assisted living) through regulations of the facilities, the owners of sd facilities, the employees of sd facilities and even the land owners of that sd facilities reside on. Additionally as you read these 90+ pages you can come to the conclusion that any Health related svcs will be determined and rationed by the Govt for our senior citizens and others in nursing homes. This one post should do enough to raise awareness of the control the Govt is exerting over the older population of American citizens.

    PG 620 Line 1-9 The Government will define, prioritize, and nationalize your Health Care Services.

    PG 621 Lines 20-25 Government will define what Quality means in HealthCare. Since when does Government know about quality?

    PG 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the quality Standards Government will transfer $$ from to other Government Trust Funds. More Taxes.

    PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes & functional status of patients.

    G 628 Section 1443 Government will give “Multi-Stake Holders” Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality” Measures.

    PG 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those Multi-stake holder groups including Unions & groups like ACORN deciding HealthCare quality.

    PG 632 Lines 14-25 The Government may implement any “Quality measure” of HealthCare Services as they see fit.

    PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services & Dialysis Services.

    PG 635 – 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Government wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Government.

    PG 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections – Looks okay.

    PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.

    PG 676-686 Government will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, including teaching hospitals.

    PG 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. You mean the Government with an $18 mil website?

    PGs 701-704 Section 1619 If your part of HealthCare plan that isn’t in Government HealthCare Exchange but you qualify for Federal aid, no payment.

    705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secretary gets complaints (ACORN) on HealthCare provider or supplier, Government can do background check.

    G 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny HealthCare providers/suppliers admittance into HealthCare Exchange.

    Pg 719-720 Section 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable medical equipment or home medical services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.

    PG 722 Section 1639 Government Mandates Doctors must have face-to-face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Services.

    PG 724 Lines 16-22 Government reserves right to apply face-to-face certification for patient to ANY other HealthCare service.

    PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same Government certifications will apply to medicaid & CHIP (your kids) Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforcement purposes, the Secretary of Health & Human Services will give Attorney General access to ALL data.

    PG 740-757 Government sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (That’s your tax dollars peeps) Pg 757-762 Fed Government will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)

    Page 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin Pg 765 Section 1711 Government will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)

    Pg 768 Section 1713 Government – Nurse Home Visitation Services (Hello union paybacks)

    Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services – “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Government Abortions anyone?

    Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Services include-economic self-sufficiency, employment advancement, school-readiness.

    Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services – “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Government ABORTIONS anyone?

    Pg 770 SEC 1714 Federal Government mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Say abortion & State Sovereign.

    Pg 789-797 Government will set & mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs will brought to market. Bye innovation

    Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for grad medical education. The government will now control Drs education. PG 801 Sec 1751 The Government will decide which Health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!

    Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc. required to register. Government takes over private payment system.

    Page 820-824 Sec 1801 Government will identify individuals ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal finances.

    Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Government Sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.

    PG 829-833 Government will impose a fee on ALL private health insurance plans including self insured to pay for Trust Fund!

    PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by Government for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.

    838-840 Government will design & implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids & families expecting kids.

    PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Program includes Government coming into your house & telling you how to parent!!!

    Pg 859 Government will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes thats Billion.

    PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HealthCare for 2 years for part loan repayment.

    PG 876-892 The Government takes over the education of our Medical students and Drs.

    PG 898 The Government will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps. to ensure supply of public health professionals.

    PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of officers of Regular & Reserve Corps of Service.

    898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.

    PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.

    901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers. HealthCare Draft?

    PG 910 The Government will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.

    PG 913-914 Government starts a HealthCare affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.

    PG 915 SEC. 2251. Government MANDATES Cultural & linguistic competency training for HealthCare professionals.

    Pg 932 The Government will establish Preventative & Wellness Trust fund – intial cost of $30,800,000,000-Billion.

    PG 935 21-22 Government will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Control You!!

    PG 936 Government will develop “Healthy People & National Public Health Performance Standards” Tell me what to eat?

    PG 942 Lines 22-25 More Government? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Services, Minority Health, Women’s Health – THIS MEANS TAX DOLLARS USED TO PAY FOR ALL ABORTIONS.

    PG 950- 980 BIG Government core public health infrastructure includes workforce capacity, lab systems; health information systems, etc

    PG 993 Government will establish school based health clinics. Your kids wont have a chance.

    PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say Government Brainwash!

    PG 1001 The Government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?

    PG 1003 9-11 National Medical Dev Reg ‘‘(iii) other postmarket device surveillance activities” you WILL be tracked.

    PG 1018 States give up some of their State Sovereignty.

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    Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Left? Me? What the hell are you talking about? I'll read the synopsis of the final bill. No need to read the initial bill. That's not what is likely to pass. I have better things to do than read a bill that is not going to become law. Plus, what do you think I'm going to do about it? My Senators and Congressman are voting against. My work here is done.
    There's 98 other Senators and 434 other Congressmen that need persuading. OUR work is just getting started.

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    Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    There's 98 other Senators and 434 other Congressmen that need persuading. OUR work is just getting started.
    Well get to it. I took care of mine, you take care of yours. Somehow I don't think your Congressman cares what I think seeing as how I can't vote for him.
    Wow. Am I awesome or what?

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    Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill

    Anybody mind telling me what the AMA (you know, that group that represents a vast majority of physicians) feels about a national health care system? Thanks.

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    Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Anybody mind telling me what the AMA (you know, that group that represents a vast majority of physicians) feels about a national health care system? Thanks.
    This is after all NOT a coalition of physicians, but rather the sentiment of a few physicians at this one Republicans meeting. In a state that has the worst health care of all, with the highest rate of uninsured. Real good source to believe.

    On the other hand.....AMA has endorsed reform. Got that folks? The American Medical Association has endorsed reform.

    American Medical Association
    The AMA Vision for Health System Reform

    No one said that achieving meaningful health system reform this year was going to be easy. But tackling the tough challenges is something the American Medical Association (AMA) has been doing for 162 years.

    As the nation’s largest organization representing physicians from every state and nearly every medical specialty—and the patients in their care—we are committed to achieving health system reform this year that:

    * Protects the sacred relationship between patients and their physicians, without interference by insurance companies or the government
    * Provides affordable health insurance for all through a choice of plans and eliminates denials for pre-existing conditions
    * Promotes quality, prevention and wellness initiatives
    * Repeals the Medicare physician payment system that harms seniors' access to care
    * Eases the crushing weight of medical liability and insurance company bureaucracy

    Physicians, patients, policymakers and others have found common ground on real health system improvements. Difficult issues must still be resolved. But it’s time for results, not rhetoric. It's time to shift our focus from arguing about differences to working together to resolve them.

    The status quo is unacceptable. America's patients and physicians deserve better. The AMA will press on until a better health system is a reality for all Americans.

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    Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    This is after all NOT a coalition of physicians, but rather the sentiment of a few physicians at this one Republicans meeting. In a state that has the worst health care of all, with the highest rate of uninsured. Real good source to believe.

    On the other hand.....AMA has endorsed reform. Got that folks? The American Medical Association has endorsed reform.

    American Medical Association
    It's hard to argue with the anti-democracy Conservatives on this board that believe the opinions of a small group of people is worth more than the majority of America.

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    Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    It's hard to argue with the anti-democracy Conservatives on this board that believe the opinions of a small group of people is worth more than the majority of America.
    Hence why they have engaged in such tactics as fear mongering (Kill granny euthanasia?), as well as the discredited tactic of shouting down townhalls so that no discussion can be conducted. It is the tactic used when you have no ideas, or no proposals.

    Is it also not a sign of just how poor one's argument is that they have to tell bold face lies? Kill granny, government is going to access your checking account. Doctors won't decide treatment, a government bureaucrat in Washington will. It will outlaw private insurance. 120 million will lose their insurance. The lies just keep coming.

    Why can't they just debate the existing issues with facts and truth, and alternative options?

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    Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Anybody mind telling me what the AMA (you know, that group that represents a vast majority of physicians) feels about a national health care system? Thanks.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/us...alth.html?_r=1

    you were saying....?

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    Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Good question, I wasn't saying anything. I was asking a question that I didn't know the answer to.

    That being said, I just google searched it and your news article is old.

    From NBC's Mark Murray
    In what appears to be a pretty significant development in the fight over health care, the American Medical Association has written House Ways and Means Committee Chairman
    Charlie Rangel

    a letter supporting the $1 trillion-plus Democratic House health-care bill.

    "On behalf of the Board of Trustees of the American Medical Association, I am writing to express our appreciation and support for H.R. 3200, the 'America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009,'" says Dr. Michael Maves, the AMA's executive vice president and CEO.

    "This legislation includes a broad range of provisions that are key to effective, comprehensive health system reform. We urge members of the House Education and Labor, Energy and Commerce, and Ways and Means Committees to favorably report H.R. 3200 for consideration by the full House."
    This is from July, your article is from June.

    AMA backs House health-care bill - First Read - msnbc.com

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    Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Good question, I wasn't saying anything. I was asking a question that I didn't know the answer to.

    That being said, I just google searched it and your news article is old.



    This is from July, your article is from June.

    AMA backs House health-care bill - First Read - msnbc.com
    So within a month, a rather profound organization has done a 180 on a very high-profile issue,...not to be a spoil sport but don't you find that a little weird?

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