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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Except that's not the argument that's being made, ultimately.

    The argument is that UHC is difficult and costly to sustain. Does not matter why the revenues drop--when they drop, they drop, and folks have to reassess spending priorities.
    Of course, and that's true whether or not health care is privatized. The argument that this article makes is that france's health care has the problem of being too expensive. When it costs 1/3 less than ours relative to national output, I don't think that's a good argument at all. If it's being used as an example of the economic cost of universal healthcare it's an even worse argument, given that the article itself shows that costs have risen more slowly than the US's privatized costs


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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Of course, and that's true whether or not health care is privatized. The argument that this article makes is that france's health care has the problem of being too expensive. When it costs 1/3 less than ours relative to national output, I don't think that's a good argument at all. If it's being used as an example of the economic cost of universal healthcare it's an even worse argument, given that the article itself shows that costs have risen more slowly than the US's privatized costs
    That's so misleading. National output has nothing to do with the cost of healthcare. You have to compare things in their true cost.

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's so misleading. National output has nothing to do with the cost of healthcare. You have to compare things in their true cost.
    I'm just going by the numbers the article is putting forth. If they are misleading, consider me among the mislead

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I'm just going by the numbers the article is putting forth. If they are misleading, consider me among the mislead
    I just want to point out facts that are misleading so that people don't get confused.

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I just want to point out facts that are misleading so that people don't get confused.
    I do not understand what you mean.

    France spends much less on its health service as both a % of its national income and in plain $'s and $'s per person as its national income is lower than the USA's in total and per capita. Despite this they still have higher life expectancy, lower infant mortality, etc.

    How would you compare the costs of the French and US systems?
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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    ^^It's very tough to compare because in general we live unhealthier lifestyles. Also, we do not record our statistics the same way.

    You have to disregard income when comparing. Just look at the cost in plain dollars. Once you do that, you'll have a general idea, but it's tough to say how much of the rest of the difference in cost is due to our lifestyles and the way we record statistics.

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post

    You have to disregard income when comparing. Just look at the cost in plain dollars.
    That would really make the American system look awful!
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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    That would really make the American system look awful!
    I'm not trying to make the US system look better or worse. I'm just trying to find the truth.

    But you did still ignore the rest of my post where I said that there are differences in population so simply looking at cost does not suffice.

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'm not trying to make the US system look better or worse. I'm just trying to find the truth.

    But you did still ignore the rest of my post where I said that there are differences in population so simply looking at cost does not suffice.
    I didn't mean to "ignore" it, I agree!

    I think there is a lot of evidence that Mediterranean countries live healthier lifestyles than other developed countries. For one they drink wine instead of beer!
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