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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Not if the state fund is routinely 10%+ in the red. What recession tends to reveal is that a lot of these UHC schemes merely kick the can down the road. Eventually, however, you run out of road.

    Britains NHS is underfunded. Now we see that France's system is also underfunded. The 11% being spent is not all the cost there is, apparently.
    That just tells me they need to fund it better. If they increase spending by 10% to cover the shortfall healthcare will cost 12% of the national output, which is still significantly less than the US's 17%

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    That just tells me they need to fund it better. If they increase spending by 10% to cover the shortfall healthcare will cost 12% of the national output, which is still significantly less than the US's 17%
    How do you do that with no more funding left, France is typically maxed out, there is double digit unemployment nationwide, and their production numbers suffer because of the nature of their labor laws, there isn't necessarily 10% more to fund that deficit.
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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    That just tells me they need to fund it better. If they increase spending by 10% to cover the shortfall healthcare will cost 12% of the national output, which is still significantly less than the US's 17%
    Difference is, the 17% is what the US spends in total--including consumers.

    The 10% deficit in the state plan is the state not covering its costs. With employment tanking and tax revenues dropping, where's the additional money going to come from?

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    How do you do that with no more funding left, France is typically maxed out, there is double digit unemployment nationwide, and their production numbers suffer because of the nature of their labor laws, there isn't necessarily 10% more to fund that deficit.
    They have budget problems that are separate from healthcare. If their healthcare costs 2/3 of ours relatively it's hard to make the argument that high healthcare costs are the reason for the budget shortfall

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Britains NHS is underfunded. Now we see that France's system is also underfunded. The 11% being spent is not all the cost there is, apparently.
    Underfunded?

    Just a few years ago £43 billion was pumped into the NHS by Labour for the next 5 years.

    When the NHS started in 1948 it had a budget of £437 million (roughly £9 billion at today’s value). In 2007/8 it has gotten more than 10x that amount around the figure of more than £90 billion.

    Where is all this money going?


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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Underfunded?

    Just a few years ago £43 billion was pumped into the NHS by Labour for the next 5 years.

    When the NHS started in 1948 it had a budget of £437 million (roughly £9 billion at today’s value). In 2007/8 it has gotten more than 10x that amount around the figure of more than £90 billion.

    Where is all this money going?
    Jobs at risk as NHS faces cuts to meet £15bn shortfall | Society | The Guardian

    Damned if I know. I'm just looking at what is being reported by the Brit media.

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    That just tells me they need to fund it better. If they increase spending by 10% to cover the shortfall healthcare will cost 12% of the national output, which is still significantly less than the US's 17%
    Even though they spend less, what exactly does it prove? You're comparing apples and oranges. Our populations are not the same.

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    They have budget problems that are separate from healthcare. If their healthcare costs 2/3 of ours relatively it's hard to make the argument that high healthcare costs are the reason for the budget shortfall
    Except that's not the argument that's being made, ultimately.

    The argument is that UHC is difficult and costly to sustain. Does not matter why the revenues drop--when they drop, they drop, and folks have to reassess spending priorities.

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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Jobs at risk as NHS faces cuts to meet £15bn shortfall | Society | The Guardian

    Damned if I know. I'm just looking at what is being reported by the Brit media.
    Good. I do not want to be in more debt
    Cut some damn jobs or reduce their pay.
    Bloody six figure salaries and jets may explain why they are in a deficit

    Yeah, money is wasted by Govt is the reason why.
    We spent more on NHS than anything else in this country including the military


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    Re: France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Underfunded?

    Just a few years ago £43 billion was pumped into the NHS by Labour for the next 5 years.

    When the NHS started in 1948 it had a budget of £437 million (roughly £9 billion at today’s value). In 2007/8 it has gotten more than 10x that amount around the figure of more than £90 billion.

    Where is all this money going?
    Red Tape and bureaucratic mis-management.

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