Clinton Threatens Eritrea

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has warned that the US will "take action" against Eritrea if it does not stop supporting militants in Somalia.

She said after talks with Somali President Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed in Kenya's capital, Nairobi, that Eritrea's actions were "unacceptable".

She also said the US would expand support for Somalia's unity government.

Eritrea denies supporting Somalia's al-Shabab militants, who are trying to overthrow Somalia's government.

Al-Shabab is growing in strength and 250,000 Somalis have fled their homes in fighting between militants and government forces over the past three months.

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Before the talks on Thursday, Mrs Clinton honoured the victims of the August 1998 attacks on the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, in a wreath-laying ceremony in Nairobi.

More than 220 people were killed and 5,000 injured in the first major attack by al-Qaeda on US targets.

AP news agency quoted her as saying that the embassy site was a reminder of "the continuing threat of terrorism, which respects no boundaries, no race, ethnicity or religion, but is aimed at disrupting and denying the opportunity of people to make their own decisions and to lead their own lives".

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Good.

Hope that country falls in on itself and gets the same treatment as what is happening in Somalia.

God i hate Eitrea.

Why can't we just mind our own business and allow these places to rot in hell ?
Trouble is, Americans do have a conscience....which can get us into trouble....and has....more than once.
And, every effort must be made to expose al-Qaeda for what it is , a gang of murderous thugs, with no conscience.

It’s useful idiot syndrome running amuck! Sad.

If Clinton had half a brain and she doesn’t, she would be actively seeking and looking for cracks and fissures within the camp of Islam that we can exploit to our benefit. That one fell in her lap. Yet she is so ignorant of the texts and tenants of Islam and the existence of the global jihad that she tries to cool it. It’s the blind leading the blind! No wonder America is going to hell in a hand basket so fast. All our leaders are exceedingly incompetent.

Turbeaux said:

It’s useful idiot syndrome running amuck! Sad.

If Clinton had half a brain and she doesn’t, she would be actively seeking and looking for cracks and fissures within the camp of Islam that we can exploit to our benefit. That one fell in her lap. Yet she is so ignorant of the texts and tenants of Islam and the existence of the global jihad that she tries to cool it. It’s the blind leading the blind! No wonder America is going to hell in a hand basket so fast. All our leaders are exceedingly incompetent.

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:screwy

That is all.

Laila said:

:screwy

That is all.

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I see you and that incompetent Clinton are at about the same level. :screwy

Turbeaux said:

It’s useful idiot syndrome running amuck! Sad.

If Clinton had half a brain and she doesn’t, she would be actively seeking and looking for cracks and fissures within the camp of Islam that we can exploit to our benefit. That one fell in her lap. Yet she is so ignorant of the texts and tenants of Islam and the existence of the global jihad that she tries to cool it. It’s the blind leading the blind! No wonder America is going to hell in a hand basket so fast. All our leaders are exceedingly incompetent.

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We sure exploited Iraq for our own benefit. :doh

I find it ironic that the secretary of state for a nation that causes a lot of terror attended a memorial to decry terrorism.

Go figure.

If you want to stop terrorism, stop creating it.

Smoke[MaxX] said:

We sure exploited Iraq for our own benefit. :doh

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How did we benefit? We wasted more than a trillion dollars, loss more than 4,000 soldiers, and got thousands more soldiers wounded and maimed all to try to win the hearts and minds of Muslims, which are obligated to hate us per their religion no matter what we do. Watch how fast Iraq inevitably becomes a poodle of Iran as soon as we leave that hellhole!

Don’t get me wrong; I had nothing against ousting Saddam. However, why in the hell did we have to occupy the place subsequently in order to pursue a silly fantasy based nation-building mission that was preordained to fail? What ever happened to going home after we eliminate our enemies and leaving behind our death and destruction as a festering sore and harsh reminder of what happens when you cross the USA?

I mean the occupation of Iraq and also the occupation of Afghanistan as well to attempt to win the hearts and minds of Muslims, which is literally impossible to do no matter what we do and also counterproductive as hell, as for as I’m concerned are the two biggest strategic blunders ever in the history of the USA.

You know a lot of people see GWB as a right-winger because of the wars he incompetently pursued. However, Bush was one of the most liberal Presidents ever in history. He spent money and grew the federal government like a Dhimmicrat on steroids at the same time he also pursued wars like a bleeding heart political correct multicultural loon. Not to mention that he also tried to destroy the conservative movement in the USA by rewarding 20 million illegal Hispanics with amnesty, and he left the Republican Party divided and in shambles. Thank God he is gone!

Now I just can’t wait to get rid of Obama.

Smoke[MaxX] said:

We sure exploited Iraq for our own benefit. :doh

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Had Bush not been a bleeding heart liberal and a political correct multicultural moonbat, as soon as Saddam was captured and Iraq was scoured for WMD, we would have left Iraq hoping that the giant power vacuum left behind would inevitably lead to a sectarian jihad between the Shi’a and the Sunni that would have also sucked in both Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Then when Iran was inevitably sucked in neck deep with attempting to impose its hegemony over Iraq and very distracted, that’s when we should of struck Iran with everything we had and obliterated the ruling Mullahs and eliminated their nuclear weapons programs. Then turned right around and done the same thing to the House of Saud!

Hell, if we had done that and then gone home afterwards instead we would have broken the back of the global jihad and sent a very loud and clear message that would have reverberated throughout the Dar al Islam.

Our biggest problems is we keep electing blind and incompetent leaders!

Orius said:

I find it ironic that the secretary of state for a nation that causes a lot of terror attended a memorial to decry terrorism.

Go figure.

If you want to stop terrorism, stop creating it.

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You don't seem to know what terrorism is.

Orius said:

I find it ironic that the secretary of state for a nation that causes a lot of terror attended a memorial to decry terrorism.

Go figure.

If you want to stop terrorism, stop creating it.

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I see you flunked history 101 and don’t know the first thing about Islam as well. Not only that but you are also more than a little anti-American to boot.

In any event, I hate to rain on your clueless parade, but the USA doesn’t create or cause terrorism, as Islamic terrorism is a manifestation of Islam and predates the creation of the USA by more than a thousand years. Nevertheless, how did the USA cause the Islamic terrorist attacks in Europe? According to you, is it also the fault that everywhere the Dar al Islam borders the non-Islamic world there is jihad taking place against non-Muslim kafirs?

As a matter of fact, Islam has a universal mission to make the world sovereign for Allah via the imposition of Sharia, and the reason they use terrorism (qitaal) as one of their preferred methods of pursuing jihad is because Muslims are inculcated to blindly emulate their Prophet Muhammad, the uswa hasana, the perfect model and excellent example for emulation. Indeed, during the 10 years that Muhammad lived in Medina, he was one of the most vicious and bloodthirsty terrorists that ever lived and led the Muslims on more than 70 razias.

Thus, when you hear Muslims hollering Allahu Ackbar (God is great) when you watch them on the Internet lopping off the heads of poor unfortunate non-Muslim kafirs or detonating roadside bombs to kill kafir Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan it’s because those Muslims are emulating Muhammad, the uswa hasana, as he always hollered Allahu Ackbar when he lopped off the heads of Jewish, Christian, and Pagan kafirs back in the days when he was still rampaging, pillaging, raping, and murdering his way across the Arabian Peninsular slaughtering kafirs almost 1400 years ago.

Orius said:

I find it ironic that the secretary of state for a nation that causes a lot of terror attended a memorial to decry terrorism.

Go figure.

If you want to stop terrorism, stop creating it.

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The United States certainly didn't create terrorism in Somalia. In fact, terrorism has thrived there due to the ABSENCE of any rule of law...and Eritrea has been helping terrorists in Somalia for a long time.

I am skeptical that al-Qaeda has any kind of major establishment there...intelligence memos have indicated that Somalia is too dangerous even for al-Qaeda. But when Somalia starts to stabilize (as it inevitably will someday), it could easily become a hotbed for al-Qaeda.

We're going to need to nip this problem in the bud. The best way to do that is to continue to arm Ethiopia, and to drive a wedge between Eritrea and Somali militants.

Kandahar said:

We're going to need to nip this problem in the bud. The best way to do that is to continue to arm Ethiopia, and to drive a wedge between Eritrea and Somali militants.

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Ethiopia is single handedly responsible for the radicalization of Somalis.

It is precisely because US has funded and backed Ethiopia, especially when it invaded Somalia in 06 which led to this ... present problem of extremists.

US turned what was a internal problem of clan rivalry into a more global 'war on terror' when Bush ordered strikes in Somalia.

Laila said:

Ethiopia is single handedly responsible for the radicalization of Somalis.

It is precisely because US has funded and backed Ethiopia, especially when it invaded Somalia in 06 which led to this ... present problem of extremists.

US turned what was a internal problem of clan rivalry into a more global 'war on terror' when Bush ordered strikes in Somalia.

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As long as Somalia remains an anarchy, it will remain a hotbed of extremism and crime, regardless of what the United States or Ethiopia does. This was true long before 2006. And allow me to clarify my previous statement:

I think the SHORT term solution is to arm Ethiopia and keep Eritrea out. The longer term solution is to help Somalia develop its economy; this will prevent the growth of extremism. But until there is an established rule of law, any economic development aid will be completely wasted.

Kandahar said:

I think the SHORT term solution is to arm Ethiopia and keep Eritrea out. The longer term solution is to help Somalia develop its economy; this will prevent the growth of extremism. But until there is an established rule of law, any economic development aid will be completely wasted.

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There will not be no stability, no economic growth nor rule of law.
Until the clan issues are settled. Which it won't be. Ever.

So we're stuck with a anarchic somalia.
There is also the issue of Ogaden .... which belongs to Somalia but was given away without their permission to Ethiopia. Another source of conflict and a reason for the war. Will Ethiopia give it back?

Laila said:

There will not be no stability, no economic growth nor rule of law.
Until the clan issues are settled. Which it won't be. Ever.

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Somalia had a functioning government with the rule of law just 20 years ago. I find it difficult to believe that this problem will never resolve itself. No nation can remain an anarchy forever; such a political system is inherently unstable by definition.

Laila said:

So we're stuck with a anarchic somalia.
There is also the issue of Ogaden .... which belongs to Somalia but was given away without their permission to Ethiopia. Another source of conflict and a reason for the war. Will Ethiopia give it back?

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They've been fighting over that scrap of land for over a century. It's hardly an indisputable fact that it "belongs to Somalia" as you claim. Anyway, Ethiopia certainly won't hand it over until Somalia stabilizes itself. To whom exactly would Ethiopia give it back, anyway?

Somalia's problems with terrorism, extremism, crime, and piracy have absolutely nothing to do with Ethiopia's actions. They have to do with the fact that Somalia has no functioning government, and such an environment BREEDS terrorism, extremism, crime, and piracy. :roll:

Laila said:

US turned what was a internal problem of clan rivalry into a more global 'war on terror' when Bush ordered strikes in Somalia.

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I hate to rain on your parade as the global jihad preceded Bush’s Presidency by almost 1400 years. Nevertheless, Bush was as hopelessly clueless as you are, as to this day he still claims Islam is a Religion of Peace™ that has been hijacked by extremists.

He also claims like a moron that poverty, hopelessness, and despair are the root causes of terrorism, which is why he tried to do the impossible, win the hearts and minds of Muslims in both Iraq and Afghanistan that are obligated to hate our guts no matter what we do.

Meanwhile, like a useful idiot dupe he gladly accepts millions of dollars in donations from the Saudis to build his presidential library, which are the lynch pin of the global jihad.

Then if that wasn’t dumb enough, the USA goes and elects someone like B. Hussein Obama that is even more of a lost cause that Bush was! Obviously, the Dar al Islam believes it is all a blessing from Allah and proof of his existence.

In any event, if the USA weren’t so completely blind and oblivious, they would try to foment jihad between Muslims, because Muslims killing Muslims inside the Dar al Islam is good for the Dar al Harb and bad for the Dar al Islam since it weakens the camp of Islam.

Kandahar said:

The longer term solution is to help Somalia develop its economy; this will prevent the growth of extremism.

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Of course, because as we all know poverty, hopelessness, and despair are the root causes of Islamic terrorism, which is exactly why all the other people all over the world besides just only Muslims also stricken by poverty are also perpetrating terrorist attacks all over the world as well. Oh wait! Not to mention that the text and tenants of the so-called Religion of Peace™ has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything much less Islamic terrorism.

But until there is an established rule of law, any economic development aid will be completely wasted.

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If you think you can establish any rule of law other than Sharia Law, I have a bridge in Somalia I would love to sell you.

Turbeaux said:

Of course, because as we all know poverty, hopelessness, and despair are the root causes of Islamic terrorism, which is exactly why all the other people all over the world besides just only Muslims also stricken by poverty are also perpetrating terrorist attacks all over the world as well. Oh wait!

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Poor non-Islamic states with weak governments generally don't produce terrorism of the global variety, but they most certainly produce their share of crime and domestic terrorism. Think about the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, FARC in Colombia, the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, etc.

Furthermore, you generally DON'T see a lot of terrorism and crime bubbling up from more economically successful Islamic states where the rule of law is well-established. I'm not saying it never happens, but it's much less common. Compare Somalia to, say, Malaysia.

Turbeaux said:

Not to mention that the text and tenants of the so-called Religion of Peace™ has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything much less Islamic terrorism.

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Whether it does or not is irrelevant. We can't change ancient religious texts, but we can help Somalia chart a new course for security (in the short term) and economic development (in the longer term).

Turbeaux said:

If you think you can establish any rule of law other than Sharia Law, I have a bridge in Somalia I would love to sell you.

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Somalia had a secular government only 20 years ago.

Kandahar said:

Somalia had a secular government only 20 years ago.

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Somalia had a DICTATOR 20 years ago who was forcing secularism on a Muslim community who did not want it and who started off this whole mess by placing his clan above everyone else especially in the North which led to the civil war

Kandahar said:

Somalia had a functioning government with the rule of law just 20 years ago. I find it difficult to believe that this problem will never resolve itself. No nation can remain an anarchy forever; such a political system is inherently unstable by definition.

They've been fighting over that scrap of land for over a century. It's hardly an indisputable fact that it "belongs to Somalia" as you claim. Anyway, Ethiopia certainly won't hand it over until Somalia stabilizes itself. To whom exactly would Ethiopia give it back, anyway?

Somalia's problems with terrorism, extremism, crime, and piracy have absolutely nothing to do with Ethiopia's actions. They have to do with the fact that Somalia has no functioning government, and such an environment BREEDS terrorism, extremism, crime, and piracy. :roll:

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Somalia had a dictator 20 years ago,
I know Somalis in the south will not figure this out for about another century.
That is the power of clans inside that region.

But it is, The British made a back alley deal with Ethiopia without our permission.
Horn of Africa's history goes back thousands of years, it used to be known as the 'Land of Punt' - Shipping haven to many empires and there are well documented proof that Ogaden used to be part of Somalia. As was Dijoubti, Eitrea, Somaliland, Kenya. The ENTIRE HOA Region was which it why it holds within each country large groups of ethnically Somali and Muslim populations.

Somalia has no functioning Government because no one group has established control and they do not wish for peace yet otherwise they'd drop clans but they haven't

Laila said:

Somalia had a DICTATOR 20 years ago who was forcing secularism on a Muslim community who did not want it and who started off this whole mess by placing his clan above everyone else especially in the North which led to the civil war

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Whatever the faults of their old system, it was a hell of a lot better than what they have now.

Laila said:

Somalia had a dictator 20 years ago,
I know Somalis in the south will not figure this out for about another century.
That is the power of clans inside that region.

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They had a reasonably competent dictator 20 years ago, and now they have an anarchy and one of the most hellish places on earth to live. Hardly an improvement.

Laila said:

But it is, The British made a back alley deal with Ethiopia without our permission.
Horn of Africa's history goes back thousands of years, it used to be known as the 'Land of Punt' - Shipping haven to many empires and there are well documented proof that Ogaden used to be part of Somalia. As was Dijoubti, Eitrea, Somaliland, Kenya. The ENTIRE HOA Region was which it why it holds within each country large groups of ethnically Somali and Muslim populations.

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Yes, yes. A country got screwed over by some other country decades, centuries, or millennia ago. At some point, it's time to just let it go. Somalia needs to get its own house in order before it even THINKS about contesting territory from another country.

Do you think that the people who live in Ogaden, Djibouti, Eritrea, Somaliland, or Kenya want to be a part of the mess that's happening in Somalia proper?

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Somalia has no functioning Government because no one group has established control and they do not wish for peace yet otherwise they'd drop clans but they haven't

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That's my point, no one has established control so there is no rule of law. And terrorism and crime breed in such an environment. The world needs to help Somalia deal with its security situation if Somalia is ever going to be rid of terrorism and piracy.

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Before the talks on Thursday, Mrs Clinton honoured the victims of the August 1998 attacks on the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, in a wreath-laying ceremony in Nairobi.

More than 220 people were killed and 5,000 injured in the first major attack by al-Qaeda on US targets.

AP news agency quoted her as saying that the embassy site was a reminder of "the continuing threat of terrorism, which respects no boundaries, no race, ethnicity or religion, but is aimed at disrupting and denying the opportunity of people to make their own decisions and to lead their own lives".

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Whay are you displaying a Nazi symbol ? Is that becasue the Arabs/Muslins were on the side of the Germans during WW II - so it's for historical reasons???