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    Re: Senate confirms Sotomayor for Supreme Court

    This isn't limited to her racial segregation though. Two white males could also come to varying conclusions given their differing life experiences.
    Yet she compared Latina women with white males specifically. If she really had no intention of mentioning race why would she mention it at all?

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    Re: Senate confirms Sotomayor for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Do you remember Ann Richards? One of the most powerful, charismatic and intelligent politicians ever.
    Yeah and remember what George Bush did to her made up lies so he could win the governorship

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    Re: Senate confirms Sotomayor for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Yet she compared Latina women with white males specifically. If she really had no intention of mentioning race why would she mention it at all?
    Obviously you didn't read the whole speech tell me what kind of racial and sexual discrimination is prevalent among white males in our society?

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    Obviously you didn't read the whole speech tell me what kind of racial and sexual discrimination is prevalent among white males in our society?
    Don't you know that Latina woman have had their boot to the throat of white males for decades?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Psssst . . . precedent, contrary to incorrect opinion, is not law.

    Judicial Restraint: Judge Sotomayor and Ricci

    The federal district court that first considered Mr. Ricci’s claims exhaustively reviewed the facts and allegations and determined that Ricci’s lawsuit was foreclosed by settled law. The racially disparate results of the test far exceeded the statistical cut-off indicating that a Title VII violation had occurred, and the district court found that when the City decided not to use the results of the promotion exam, it was trying to comply with Title VII’s prohibition on the use of employment tests that have such a disparate racial impact. Rather than discriminating against the white test-takers, the City was simply trying to find a promotion test that would be fair to all applicants as required by federal law. The court held that this attempt to ensure a fair promotion process and comply with Title VII was not equivalent to discrimination and was not intentional discrimination against the white plaintiffs in violation of equal protection.

    On appeal in the Second Circuit, a three-judge panel, including Judge Sotomayor, unanimously agreed with the district court. In a brief order, later published, the panel affirmed the dismissal of Ricci’s case “for the reasons stated in the thorough, thoughtful, and well-reasoned opinion of the court below.” The judges expressly stated that “[w]e are not unsympathetic to the plaintiffs’ expression of frustration,” noting that Mr. Ricci is dyslexic and had “made intensive efforts that appear to have resulted in his scoring highly on one of the exams, only to have it invalidated.” But no matter how sympathetic Mr. Ricci’s claims, “it simply does not follow that he has a viable Title VII claim.” However heartless the City’s refusal to act on the exam results may have seemed to the plaintiffs and their supporters, New Haven was “simply trying to fulfill its obligations under Title VII when confronted with test results that had a disproportionate racial impact” and its actions were protected by law. In other words, the case wasn’t about how sympathetic Mr. Ricci was—it was about the law.

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    Re: Senate confirms Sotomayor for Supreme Court

    Obviously you didn't read the whole speech tell me what kind of racial and sexual discrimination is prevalent among white males in our society?
    I read the whole speech, and her wise Latina comment was still racist. Period. She may have misspoken, but it is a racist comment nonetheless.

    And for discrimination against white people, try Affirmative action. I am sure you have also heard about the firefighters Sotomayor ruled against as well.

    But how white males might be discriminated against is beside the point. Sotomayor made a racist comment, and no matter what context you put it in it is still racist.

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    Re: Senate confirms Sotomayor for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Ah HA, so you want an Activist Judge who will disregard the law, and simply rule on how they see fit.

    Hypocrite Alert - * - Hypocrite Alert - * - Hypocrite Alert
    Were they being activist with their ruling in Brown vs Board of Education by ignoring the Supreme Court precedent set in Plessy vs Ferguson?

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    Re: Senate confirms Sotomayor for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    It will be intereting too see just how many of those who voted against her still have a job after the next election cycle.
    Likely every single one of them unless they choose to retire. Nobody is going to lose reelection for not voting to confirm Sotomayor.

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    Re: Senate confirms Sotomayor for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I read the whole speech, and her wise Latina comment was still racist. Period. She may have misspoken, but it is a racist comment nonetheless.

    And for discrimination against white people, try Affirmative action. I am sure you have also heard about the firefighters Sotomayor ruled against as well.

    But how white males might be discriminated against is beside the point. Sotomayor made a racist comment, and no matter what context you put it in it is still racist.
    Really how many jobs have you lost to minorities? How many times have you gotten paid lower than a woman doing your job? Discrimination against white males rarely happens. Look at Lilly ledbetter she worked at Goodyear for decades and only when she retired did she find out that she got paid less than her male counterparts. Pay discrimination is real against woman.

    It was not racist. You think its racist because you've already drawn your conclusion. Someone who has been sexually and racially discriminated against is more likely to be more sensitive to such issues than white males who rarely are.

    I've heard about the firefighters. As this happened in my state I've been abreast of the situation. They changed the test to multiple choice and minorities were disproportionately scoring lower. Nonetheless half of the minorities who took it passed the test. There were 2 qualified hispanics out of the 8 people who were chosen all were white then the tests were reviewed and things changed. Sotomayor's ruling supported existing precendent she ruled with the lower courts as did many of her colleagues. The supreme court overruled precendent. In this case the justices were activists. But since we're on the firefighter case lets flash back to 1995.

    Ricci filed another lawsuit against the city of New Haven in 1995. There were 40 job openings when Ricci was trying to get a job. He had a learning disability even though he was qualified many others were more qualified having passed the Civil Service examination. When Ricci didn't get the job he sued the city for discrimination. Two years later the case was resolved and Ricci settled with the city in exchange for a job. So the system seemed to work out for him and he gamed it again

    Again there was no racism in her ruling she followed case law. You're trying to fit the data around your conclusion.
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    Re: Senate confirms Sotomayor for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Really how many jobs have you lost to minorities? How many times have you gotten paid lower than a woman doing your job? Discrimination against white males rarely happens. Look at Lilly ledbetter she worked at Goodyear for decades and only when she retired did she find out that she got paid less than her male counterparts. Pay discrimination is real against woman.

    It was not racist. You think its racist because you've already drawn your conclusion. Someone who has been sexually and racially discriminated against is more likely to be more sensitive to such issues than white males who rarely are.

    I've heard about the firefighters. As this happened in my state I've been abreast of the situation. They changed the test to multiple choice and minorities were disproportionately scoring lower. Nonetheless half of the minorities who took it passed the test. There were 2 qualified hispanics out of the 8 people who were chosen all were white then the tests were reviewed and things changed. Sotomayor's ruling supported existing precendent she ruled with the lower courts as did many of her colleagues. The supreme court overruled precendent. In this case the justices were activists. But since we're on the firefighter case lets flash back to 1995.

    Ricci filed another lawsuit against the city of New Haven in 1995. There were 40 job openings when Ricci was trying to get a job. He had a learning disability even though he was qualified many others were more qualified having passed the Civil Service examination. When Ricci didn't get the job he sued the city for discrimination. Two years later the case was resolved and Ricci settled with the city in exchange for a job. So Affirmative action worked for Ricci in 1995.

    Again there was no racism in her ruling she followed case law. You're trying to fit the data around your conclusion.



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