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Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

The message from the White House does not request people's names, it requests information on people's healthcare perspective so they can fight false claims. Nothing wrong with this, and there is no law to prevent it.

If the names and email addresses forwarded to the WH are used in a manner to squash political speech, then that is a separate issue and will be dealt with accordingly. Any occurrence will surely become well known.

As far as all the comparisons with previous presidents, if any president collects names in order to dispel free speech, whether Bush, Obama, or anyone, they are all wrong in that. Saying, "What about the other guy", is nothing but a distraction from the issue and a total cop out. May as well say, "I got nothing on this."
 
I would think that the answer would be obvious.

The Electorate.

This is why we have elections, and not coronations.

So if there is false information being paraded around about legislature the politicians writing the legislature are required to rely on the populace to respond and cannot do so personally?
 
Whose job is it to respond to public political campaigns against White House policies?

What “public political campaign” are you talking about? This is a grassroots effort at town hall meetings and on the internet.

Gee, we wouldn't want people complaining about the efforts of this Administration to shove Government run healthcare down our throats now would we? :roll:
 
Thank you Mr. Sam for that lovely treatise on how to wallow in uninformed bliss; now back to the thread topic. :roll:

Well if you are so godly informed, then please do enlighten me point by point how this is some evil Nixonian enemies list? Beware though, I have been on a roll today, so I might suggest you actually read what is written, watch the video that is posted on her blog page at whitehouse.gov and actually listen to what she said...then, and only then do make this argument. I would love to see it as I will rip it into a *********** shreds.
 
Strawman. DNC campaign's have no connection to White House PR initiatives.

Says you; but the notion that the Whitehouse has nothing to do with DNC campaigns requires willful ignorance.

The leader of the Democrat Party happens to be the President.
 
So if there is false information being paraded around about legislature the politicians writing the legislature are required to rely on the populace to respond and cannot do so personally?

I am curious why you are more concerned with "perceived" false information from citizens than you would be at the obviously false information from the Government; why is that? You weren't lacking this skepticism when Bush was in charge. :doh
 
I am curious why you are more concerned with "perceived" false information from citizens than you would be at the obviously false information from the Government; why is that? You weren't lacking this skepticism when Bush was in charge. :doh

The difference is that if a citizen chooses to participate in a public political campaign their statements are public property and can be and should be examined and either rebutted or applauded.

What you continually fail to grasp is that there is a HUGE difference between collect contact of people that choose to participate in public political discussions and people that are spied on in their private life for fear they they may or may not be a terrorist.

If Obama was spying on people via their phones, personal computers, or private discussions I would be completely against this.
 
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Well if you are so godly informed, then please do enlighten me point by point how this is some evil Nixonian enemies list?

Well there you go again Sam, using nonsensical hyperbolic bile in lieu of genuine honest debate; you never disappoint however.

Beware though, I have been on a roll today, so I might suggest you actually read what is written, watch the video that is posted on her blog page at whitehouse.gov and actually listen to what she said...then, and only then do make this argument. I would love to see it as I will rip it into a *********** shreds.

My, what a fascinatingly high self opinion you have of yourself without any evidence to support such a high self opinion.

I suggest you read and comprehend the OP before attempting to rip anything but your credibility to shreds.

When you do, please share with us how it is you have no problems with the Government trying to combat the opinions of the citizens instead of selling their program with honest facts and how you are more concerned with the potential "disinformation" out there than the "disinformation" being spewed by this Administration on this topic.

Carry on. :rofl
 
The difference is that if a citizen chooses to participate in a public political campaign their statements are public property and can be and should be examined and either rebutted or applauded.

What you continually fail to grasp is that there is a HUGE difference between collect contact of people that choose to participate in public political discussions and people that are spied on in their private life for fear they they may or may not be a terrorist.

Ahhhhh, but it is YOU who fails to see and comprehend the fact that any Administration that suggests that people turn in their brethren so that it can counter their statements as being a paranoid pariah State.

I am fairly certain that if Bush were still President, this blog would be filled with the ranting of Liberals of how fascist this appears. But alas, we know why they so desperately defend the current administration; they have a “D” in front of their names.

:2wave:
 
Says you; but the notion that the Whitehouse has nothing to do with DNC campaigns requires willful ignorance.

The leader of the Democrat Party happens to be the President.

Actually, the head of the Democratic party is still Howard Dean.

CORRECTION: It is now Tim Kaine.
 
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Whose job is it to respond to public political campaigns against White House policies?

Making a "response" is one thing.

Using White House, ie taxpayer, funds to conduct partisan campaign research is something else.

So, you accept that your Messiah is conducting McCarthy-like "Enemies" research.

You accept that taxpayer dollars are being used to fund research for the Democrat party.

You accept that the government that can't run a lemonade stand is going to take over 1/6 of the US economy.

What else do you blindly accept?
 
Ahhhhh, but it is YOU who fails to see and comprehend the fact that any Administration that suggests that people turn in their brethren so that it can counter their statements as being a paranoid pariah State.
How is it paranoia if it is factual that there are misleading and false campaigns existing out there?

What exactly is the negative of the White House being given the opportunity to rebuttal claims they feel are misleading? Is it your paranoia that they make persuade people to accept the health care bill?


I am fairly certain that if Bush were still President, this blog would be filled with the ranting of Liberals of how fascist this appears. But alas, we know why they so desperately defend the current administration; they have a “D” in front of their names.

:2wave:

And that is due to your paranoia and partisan assumptions. Not reality.
 
What “public political campaign” are you talking about? This is a grassroots effort at town hall meetings and on the internet.

Gee, we wouldn't want people complaining about the efforts of this Administration to shove Government run healthcare down our throats now would we? :roll:

The health scam the mobsters are running on us is in such dire risk of being derailed by angry grandmothers scaring the pants of the Democrat Congressmen that the Democrat leadership has been forced to resort to the extremity of labeling their opposition as Organized Kooks funded by anti-American fat-cat capitalist anti-reform haters".

I would think an organized protest would be less random and more articulate than what I'm seeing on TV. Looks to me like a bunch of average irate citizens unaccustomed to public speaking demanding their useless turd Democrat and Republican Congressthings stop jerking them around and start doing what their public wants them to do.

The real problem is that the Democrats in Washington, and the Democrat red Kool-Aid drinkers on the Internet, have come to believe their own lies so much that they've been blindsided by the fact that there's still honest people in America who don't like Kool-Aid.
 
Already been debunked.

Read the threat.

Here is the statement directly from the White House:

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

The White House - Blog Post - Facts Are Stubborn Things

It requests information, not names or email addresses.
 
Actually, the head of the Democratic party is still Howard Dean.

CORRECTION: It is now Tim Kaine.

You would be wrong; the head of the Democrat Party is indeed the Democrat President which is Obama. Kaine is merely head of the Democrat National Committee.

Carry on. :2wave:
 
I don't get it. If Conservatives have nothing to hide, why are they so paranoid?

Seriously, **** off and die. What kind of an American could ask such a ****ing dumb ass question. Do you understand ANYTHING about liberty?

**** you.

Awaiting points.
 
Making a "response" is one thing.

Using White House, ie taxpayer, funds to conduct partisan campaign research is something else.

So, you accept that your Messiah is conducting McCarthy-like "Enemies" research.
Of course it's partisan. They aren't going to spend the time and money to try and rebuttal people that agree with them. That would just be a waste of time and resources.

That this collection of political campaigns against WhiteHouse policies are anything other then to collect talking points to address towards the American people is simply hyperbole.

You accept that taxpayer dollars are being used to fund research for the Democrat party.
What research for the Democratic Party is being performed? I see research for White House policies being performed by those policies being Democrat or Republican is not a factor.

You accept that the government that can't run a lemonade stand is going to take over 1/6 of the US economy.
I do? Please show me where I accept this. Also, what does this have to do with the topic?

What else do you blindly accept?
You seem to know better then I do so you tell me. According to you I accept things I previously thought I didn't accept. Imagine my surprise.
 
To everybody:

In order to debate, it is helpful to have the facts. The article from the Dallas morning news in the OP is about John Cornyn saying that an enemies list is being compiled, but the actual article on the White House blog is what you should be looking at.

Here is the original article at the White House blog.

I suggest that everybody, on BOTH sides of the issue, read it, and watch the 2 videos that are embedded there. After that, feel free to post what you believe it to be, and use any part of the link to back up what you are saying.
 
Here is the statement directly from the White House:

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

The White House - Blog Post - Facts Are Stubborn Things

It requests information, not names or email addresses.

Alex, I highlighted the relevant comments here; please tell me why ANYONE in Government needs to "keep track of all of them?"

Here is the pertinent point; this effort smacks of desperation and paranoia and anyone with a brain should be concerned when it is their Government exhibiting this sickness.
 
Alex, I highlighted the relevant comments here; please tell me why ANYONE in Government needs to "keep track of all of them?"

Here is the pertinent point; this effort smacks of desperation and paranoia and anyone with a brain should be concerned when it is their Government exhibiting this sickness.

They are referring to information, not names and email addresses.

I am concerned when our government oversteps its authority, but this is not it.
 
It requests information, not names or email addresses.

There really was Kool-aid in the stuff Jim Jones passed out, too.

(Well, actually it was Flavor-aid, but I'm only posting that because some wag will)

Don't worry, with four copies of the same e-mail submitted by 50,000,000 million devoted Manic Messiah-bots, no one will do ANYTHING with the header information identifying all those evil anti-Messianic Internet users daring to oppose the Messiah's message of hope and change for all 57 states. No, they won't do anything with that list. Really, if you can't trust a Democrat, your life isn't worth living.

Especially if you're 75 and looking at the government deciding to ration "end of life" care. Nothing to worry about, nosirreebobcattails.
 
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