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Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

This is coming from the same people who railed against the NSA program and Patriot Act? What irony! :rofl

I have failed to see where the WhiteHouse is populating this list through wiretaps and private conversations amongst citizens. Please provide a source if this is a case.
 
Want to know what I think? No? OK, I will tell you anyways. :mrgreen:

1) Emails with purportedly false information are flying around. I have actually gotten a couple of them.

2) I do not believe it is unreasonable to compile a list of the emails to see what kind of false information is in them.

3) Unfortunately, email addresses are attached to emails, and they will also be collected.

4) The alternative is to NOT look at what is being circulated about your programs, and to be kept in the dark.

5) The solution? Collect the emails and see what is in them.

6) As for the possibility that Obama is collecting an enemies list, I haven't seen any proof. Just a lot of speculation from people who have a political axe to grind.

7) But don't forget that, in America, everybody has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of making stuff up.
 
I don't get it.
Correct. Thankfully, guidance is available.


[quote='Smoke[MaxX]If Conservatives have nothing to hide, why are they so paranoid?[/quote]

We are not "paranoid," we are "historically aware." That is we, having a perspective longer than the last few years, are cognizant enough of precedent to be highly suspicious of powerful governmental figures that wish to catalog their detractors.

The historical record informs those wise enough to heed its harsh instruction that this is often a prelude to suppression and/or persecution.

Carry on.
 
I guess you missed the OP; this isn't about the White House documenting the politicians, but rather documenting CITIZENS who oppose it to counter their "disinformation."

:2wave:

If they are compiling this from public statements by people, what is wrong with that?

I agree though, if they ae tapping phone lines or using ILLEGAL means to get the names, then that is wrong.

However, there is no indication of anything illegal being done.
 
Are these citizens publicly opposing the health care bill or are they doing it privately?

BOTH.

I have a problem with the White House creating a list of people by tracing private phone calls or the individual in their house. If the citizen is CHOOSING to publicly oppose health care in a public forum then there is no issue here.

So you have no problem with the White House asking citizens to inform them of those who oppose this legislation and compile lists of their "private" e-mail addresses; got it!

Is it your opinion it should be illegal for the White House to offer rebuttals to opinion and commentary provided by citizens on legislation?

It is my opinion that when Government starts asking citizens to report on their fellow citizens in a partisan effort to stifle debate, I say that it is a step towards authoritarianism.

Why should the Government concern itself with gathering information on citizens who oppose their efforts to "Socialize" 1/3 of the American economy against the citizens wishes? But rather it should welcome those comments and engage them in a dialogue to make certain that what we are doing has universal support and meets the needs of its citizens.

Having a "HIT" list just does not seem to be the direction we want our Government to go is it?
 
Want to know what I think? No? OK, I will tell you anyways. :mrgreen:

1) Emails with purportedly false information are flying around. I have actually gotten a couple of them.

2) I do not believe it is unreasonable to compile a list of the emails to see what kind of false information is in them.

3) Unfortunately, email addresses are attached to emails, and they will also be collected.

4) The alternative is to NOT look at what is being circulated about your programs, and to be kept in the dark.

5) The solution? Collect the emails and see what is in them.

6) As for the possibility that Obama is collecting an enemies list, I haven't seen any proof. Just a lot of speculation from people who have a political axe to grind.

7) But don't forget that, in America, everybody has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of making stuff up.

Ah yes, it makes perfect sense to have one's Government concerned about the circulation of rumors on the internet and in e-mails doesn't it; who sounds paranoid again?
 
BOTH.



So you have no problem with the White House asking citizens to inform them of those who oppose this legislation and compile lists of their "private" e-mail addresses; got it!



It is my opinion that when Government starts asking citizens to report on their fellow citizens in a partisan effort to stifle debate, I say that it is a step towards authoritarianism.

Why should the Government concern itself with gathering information on citizens who oppose their efforts to "Socialize" 1/3 of the American economy against the citizens wishes? But rather it should welcome those comments and engage them in a dialogue to make certain that what we are doing has universal support and meets the needs of its citizens.

Having a "HIT" list just does not seem to be the direction we want our Government to go is it?

Actually, you don't get it. There is a huge difference between asking citizens to turn in their neighbors and asking citizens to provide examples of misleading information. I have seen no reliable information that the government is getting citizens to turn in their neighbors in order to make a hit list - Only rants from hyperpartisans who have a political axe to grind. However, should you come across some reliable information that this is happening, show it to me, and I will join you in condemning Obama.
 
I have failed to see where the WhiteHouse is populating this list through wiretaps and private conversations amongst citizens. Please provide a source if this is a case.

I see, so in your funny world, as long as the Government compiles the list from informants and not from wiretaps, it's okay. Got it! :rofl
 
Actually, you don't get it. There is a huge difference between asking citizens to turn in their neighbors and asking citizens to provide examples of misleading information. I have seen no reliable information that the government is getting citizens to turn in their neighbors in order to make a hit list - Only rants from hyperpartisans who have a political axe to grind. However, should you come across some reliable information that this is happening, show it to me, and I will join you in condemning Obama.

Yeah that's it Dan; it's just a bunch of hyper partisans with an axe to grind. Carry on! :rofl

Man, coming from the guy who spent every waking moment chanting "the sky is falling" under Bush, this smacks of profound irony.
 
Yeah that's it Dan; it's just a bunch of hyper partisans with an axe to grind. Carry on! :rofl

Man, coming from the guy who spent every waking moment chanting "the sky is falling" under Bush, this smacks of profound irony.

Show me your proof, and I will join you.
 
So you have no problem with the White House asking citizens to inform them of those who oppose this legislation and compile lists of their "private" e-mail addresses; got it!

These aren't private email addresses. These are email addresses that the source individual is using the publicly campaign their opinion on Health care legislature.

Would you have a problem with the White House or any political entity receiving notification and the home address of an individual that was holding public forums against Health care at their home?


It is my opinion that when Government starts asking citizens to report on their fellow citizens in a partisan effort to stifle debate, I say that it is a step towards authoritarianism.
It would be authoritarianism if the WhiteHouse silenced them in anyway. Offering rebuttal is just participating in the public discussion on legislature that already exists.

Why should the Government concern itself with gathering information on citizens who oppose their efforts to "Socialize" 1/3 of the American economy against the citizens wishes? But rather it should welcome those comments and engage them in a dialogue to make certain that what we are doing has universal support and meets the needs of its citizens.
How can they engage them in dialogue if you want the White House unable to know who they are and what they are publicly campaigning against?

Having a "HIT" list just does not seem to be the direction we want our Government to go is it?
The commentary said it was a hit list and honestly I don't know what the White House is planning to do with the list but I HOPE it is PR outreach on the topics being discussed and not silencing of those performing the campaign. If it is that, I have no problems with the compiling the list. Those on the list gave consent to be tracked when they choose to publicly participate in a political campaign.
 
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Ah yes, it makes perfect sense to have one's Government concerned about the circulation of rumors on the internet and in e-mails doesn't it; who sounds paranoid again?

What you call rumors are the attempt of some to state facts that don't exist. One of the emails that I got attempted to make the case that the elderly would be encouraged to commit assisted suicide under the Obama plan. It was idiotic, but that is what is was saying. I do not believe it is unreasonable for the Obama administration to collect these emails to see what is in them.

If Republicans want to be honest about the whole thing, all they have to do is address ONE issue - THE COST. Scare tactics and other dishonest means are not even necessary, but it seems that the Republican party has now completely lost its way, along with all its marbles.

I remember, once upon a time, that the Republican party was a lean, mean, fighting machine that took no prisoners. Today, it is a broken down clunker, and the only sounds it now emits are the WHINING of gears. Should have traded it in under the cash for clunkers program before it was too late.
 
Show me your proof, and I will join you.

Okay here you go Dan:

‘..a post on the White House's blog Wednesday in which users are asked to help stop the spread of disinformation about legislation to overhaul health insurance. The post offers an e-mail address, flag@whitehouse.gov, for users to forward anything "on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy."

Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list' | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Texas Politics | The Dallas Morning News

:roll:
 
And there's absolutely nothing proving Obama's "Coming" for American's either.

You mean outside of the fact that his administration has specifically requested e-mails, which allows them to trace the sources.

That's a pretty big fact.
 
Okay here you go Dan:

‘..a post on the White House's blog Wednesday in which users are asked to help stop the spread of disinformation about legislation to overhaul health insurance. The post offers an e-mail address, flag@whitehouse.gov, for users to forward anything "on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy."

Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list' | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Texas Politics | The Dallas Morning News

:roll:

From what you posted:

Offers an email adddress (A WHITE HOUSE EMAIL ADDRESS), and people can forward fishy information that is "on the web".

1) The email address is the White House.

2) On the web appears to be exactly that - On the web.

So let me see if I have this right. If you find something on a web site that is inaccurate, you are to turn in President Obama and have him be put on a hit list that contains instances of President Obama? OK. :shock: :mrgreen:
 
You mean outside of the fact that his administration has specifically requested e-mails, which allows them to trace the sources.

That's a pretty big fact.

So you wish to deny the White House the ability to participate and /or respond to individuals statements who hold public political campaigns against legislature?
 
Hyperbolic assumptions. There is nothing showing how those that are on the list will be addressed.

Much much more importantly, there's nothing showing that it won't happen. Since it can happen, you're enabling it by defending it.

People have freedom to oppose the health care bill. Are you saying Obama doesn't have the right or is in violation of some law by documenting who the opponents of a the bill are?

People have the freedom to oppose the government without having to worry that their exercise of their First Amendment freedoms will get their name on a McCarthy-like list of enemies.

Given the past recent history of the Democrats, retaliation against those who oppose them isn't a risk, it's a near certainty.
 
So you wish to deny the White House the ability to participate and /or respond to individuals statements who hold public political campaigns against legislature?

It's not the White House's job to respond to individual citizens opposed to their Big Brother plans.

Are the far left extremists the people who opposed the PATRIOT Act on purely partisan and totally irrational grounds? Aren't they now defending the collection of private personal information by their Messiah?
 
The commentary said it was a hit list and honestly I don't know what the White House is planning to do with the list but I HOPE it is PR outreach on the topics being discussed and not silencing of those performing the campaign. If it is that, I have no problems with the compiling the list. Those on the list gave consent to be tracked when they choose to publicly participate in a political campaign.

You mean "public outreach" like this one?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJoLftlARf8"]YouTube - Obama Calls Protesters "Angry Mob, Desperate Republicans, with Manufactured Anger"[/ame]

Evidence of these angry mobs:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UonyBfwQaio"]YouTube - Fed Up Americans Erupt Over Obama's Govt Healthcare Takeover, Scolded by Pompous Kathleen Sebelius[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XVlNpyFKuw&feature=related"]YouTube - Kathleen Sebelius & Arlen Specter Grilled At Town Hall Meeting[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-gTJqU7VoU&feature=related"]YouTube - Congressman Lloyd Doggett failed meeting[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn71-wNccsw&feature=related"]YouTube - Claire McCaskill's Office Holds Town Hall-- Tea Party Breaks Out[/ame]
 
Everyone, I was just informed by the head agent at headquarters that once we have compiled everyone's personal information, I will be ordered to change all your passwords...muahahhahahaha

Seriously, this is one of the dumbest of threads, sorry I just have to say that. This is delusional parania reaching unhealthy levels. People need to take a step back and use their noggins.

The Communications Director for the White House simply asked for people who saw misleading information to have this passed on to them so they could know what is being said. What, not by who, WHAT.

Do you get that, WHAT...not WHO....WHAT.

So if you see a webpage, you can e-mail that. If you get an e-mail, you can forward that as well. There is no request for who. You can use a hotmail account to even send for god's sake. All they want to see is the subject, the what. You know, kind of like the certain B.S. just posted here an hour ago about government is now going to access your bank accounts?

Think about the subject of this thread, maybe this belongs in..I don't know Conspiracy? No, because there is no conspiracy at work here. Everything is clearly there if people would just use their damn brains for once.
 
Everyone, I was just informed by the head agent at headquarters that once we have compiled everyone's personal information, I will be ordered to change all your passwords...muahahhahahaha

Seriously, this is one of the dumbest of threads, sorry I just have to say that. This is delusional parania reaching unhealthy levels. People need to take a step back and use their noggins.

The Communications Director for the White House simply asked for people who saw misleading information to have this passed on to them so they could know what is being said. What, not by who, WHAT.

Do you get that, WHAT...not WHO....WHAT.

So if you see a webpage, you can e-mail that. If you get an e-mail, you can forward that as well. There is no request for who. You can use a hotmail account to even send for god's sake. All they want to see is the subject, the what. You know, kind of like the certain B.S. just posted here an hour ago about government is now going to access your bank accounts?

Think about the subject of this thread, maybe this belongs in..I don't know Conspiracy? No, because there is no conspiracy at work here. Everything is clearly there if people would just use their damn brains for once.

Thank you Mr. Sam for that lovely treatise on how to wallow in uninformed bliss; now back to the thread topic. :roll:
 
Want to know what I think? No? OK, I will tell you anyways. :mrgreen:

1) Emails with purportedly false information are flying around. I have actually gotten a couple of them.

I get the occasional e-mail pretending the Messiah is a good president, too.

I just throw them away.

2) I do not believe it is unreasonable to compile a list of the emails to see what kind of false information is in them.

I do.

The job of the President is to execute the nation's laws.

What he's doing is using the office of the presidency to illegally engage in partisan research that is the responsibility of the Democrat party, not the taxpayers.

That's a point I've not seen others raise.

3) Unfortunately, email addresses are attached to emails, and they will also be collected.

Don't be such a putz. It's not hard to discover the gist of any disinformation campaign, or in this case, a public service campaign revealing the crimes against humanity the Administration is proposing. The whole reason, the only reaseon, the White House wants the e-mails by the million is to collect the addresses.

Unless you're willing to concede that the guy in the White House, and his staff, are complete fools, then the last thing they would want is millions of copies of three versions of the same e-mail.

4) The alternative is to NOT look at what is being circulated about your programs, and to be kept in the dark.

Oh, ab-so-lute-ly. There's just NO OTHER WAY to learn what the Americans are saying, you just have to demand millions of e-mail spam to find out. Just no other way.

Just no other way.

Just no other way.

Just no other way.

Keep saying that, eventually you'll beleive it's true.

Maybe you people already do.



5) The solution? Collect the emails and see what is in them.

Just no other way.

Just no other way.

Just no other way.

6) As for the possibility that Obama is collecting an enemies list, I haven't seen any proof. Just a lot of speculation from people who have a political axe to grind.

The proof is that they're collecting e-mails.

7) But don't forget that, in America, everybody has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of making stuff up.

And they have the right to use the First Amendment without fear of reprisals.

Just no other way.

Just no other way.

Just no other way.

Just no other way.

Just no other way.

Just no other way.

Just no ...
 
What you call rumors are the attempt of some to state facts that don't exist. One of the emails that I got attempted to make the case that the elderly would be encouraged to commit assisted suicide under the Obama plan. It was idiotic, but that is what is was saying. I do not believe it is unreasonable for the Obama administration to collect these emails to see what is in them.

Once again you wander away from the thread topic on some fantastical tirade about internet BS; but that wasn't what this debate is about is it?

Instead, you prefer to blather about perceived hyper partisan right wingers.....AGAIN. Seems to be a theme with you; why is it you never rant about hyper partisan LEFT wingers? Don't answer that, you will just enter into a circle of futility and denial; it is patently obvious why you don't.

If Republicans want to be honest about the whole thing, all they have to do is address ONE issue - THE COST. Scare tactics and other dishonest means are not even necessary, but it seems that the Republican party has now completely lost its way, along with all its marbles.

Honest? What on earth would you know about being honest?

How ironic that you rail about Republican "scare tactics" when it happens to be the very topic of this thread about how the White House is using them.

How ironic that you think it is just about the "cost" when it is also about the loss of choice, lack of care, mediocrity and LONG waiting lists.

Yet it is this administration that lies to the people and says that the program may even SAVE more money than it costs through "efficiencies." Talk about a pile of nonsensical bile.

I remember, once upon a time, that the Republican party was a lean, mean, fighting machine that took no prisoners. Today, it is a broken down clunker, and the only sounds it now emits are the WHINING of gears. Should have traded it in under the cash for clunkers program before it was too late.

Funny how your memory cannot be substantiated by facts or history; but again, you live in some ideological fantasy land where partisanship does not exist, the Republican Party was some kind of lean fighting machine (never existed in my lifetime and I am a LOT older) and where everyone agrees with you.

Carry on. :rofl
 
It's not the White House's job to respond to individual citizens opposed to their Big Brother plans.

Are the far left extremists the people who opposed the PATRIOT Act on purely partisan and totally irrational grounds? Aren't they now defending the collection of private personal information by their Messiah?

Whose job is it to respond to public political campaigns against White House policies?
 
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