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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So you have no problem with the White House asking citizens to inform them of those who oppose this legislation and compile lists of their "private" e-mail addresses; got it!
    These aren't private email addresses. These are email addresses that the source individual is using the publicly campaign their opinion on Health care legislature.

    Would you have a problem with the White House or any political entity receiving notification and the home address of an individual that was holding public forums against Health care at their home?


    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    It is my opinion that when Government starts asking citizens to report on their fellow citizens in a partisan effort to stifle debate, I say that it is a step towards authoritarianism.
    It would be authoritarianism if the WhiteHouse silenced them in anyway. Offering rebuttal is just participating in the public discussion on legislature that already exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Why should the Government concern itself with gathering information on citizens who oppose their efforts to "Socialize" 1/3 of the American economy against the citizens wishes? But rather it should welcome those comments and engage them in a dialogue to make certain that what we are doing has universal support and meets the needs of its citizens.
    How can they engage them in dialogue if you want the White House unable to know who they are and what they are publicly campaigning against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Having a "HIT" list just does not seem to be the direction we want our Government to go is it?
    The commentary said it was a hit list and honestly I don't know what the White House is planning to do with the list but I HOPE it is PR outreach on the topics being discussed and not silencing of those performing the campaign. If it is that, I have no problems with the compiling the list. Those on the list gave consent to be tracked when they choose to publicly participate in a political campaign.
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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I see, so in your funny world, as long as the Government compiles the list from informants and not from wiretaps, it's okay. Got it!
    Obviously you don't and never have.
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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Ah yes, it makes perfect sense to have one's Government concerned about the circulation of rumors on the internet and in e-mails doesn't it; who sounds paranoid again?
    What you call rumors are the attempt of some to state facts that don't exist. One of the emails that I got attempted to make the case that the elderly would be encouraged to commit assisted suicide under the Obama plan. It was idiotic, but that is what is was saying. I do not believe it is unreasonable for the Obama administration to collect these emails to see what is in them.

    If Republicans want to be honest about the whole thing, all they have to do is address ONE issue - THE COST. Scare tactics and other dishonest means are not even necessary, but it seems that the Republican party has now completely lost its way, along with all its marbles.

    I remember, once upon a time, that the Republican party was a lean, mean, fighting machine that took no prisoners. Today, it is a broken down clunker, and the only sounds it now emits are the WHINING of gears. Should have traded it in under the cash for clunkers program before it was too late.
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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Show me your proof, and I will join you.
    Okay here you go Dan:

    ..a post on the White House's blog Wednesday in which users are asked to help stop the spread of disinformation about legislation to overhaul health insurance. The post offers an e-mail address, flag@whitehouse.gov, for users to forward anything "on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy."

    Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list' | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Texas Politics | The Dallas Morning News


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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And there's absolutely nothing proving Obama's "Coming" for American's either.
    You mean outside of the fact that his administration has specifically requested e-mails, which allows them to trace the sources.

    That's a pretty big fact.

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Okay here you go Dan:

    ..a post on the White House's blog Wednesday in which users are asked to help stop the spread of disinformation about legislation to overhaul health insurance. The post offers an e-mail address, flag@whitehouse.gov, for users to forward anything "on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy."

    Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list' | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Texas Politics | The Dallas Morning News

    From what you posted:

    Offers an email adddress (A WHITE HOUSE EMAIL ADDRESS), and people can forward fishy information that is "on the web".

    1) The email address is the White House.

    2) On the web appears to be exactly that - On the web.

    So let me see if I have this right. If you find something on a web site that is inaccurate, you are to turn in President Obama and have him be put on a hit list that contains instances of President Obama? OK.
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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You mean outside of the fact that his administration has specifically requested e-mails, which allows them to trace the sources.

    That's a pretty big fact.
    So you wish to deny the White House the ability to participate and /or respond to individuals statements who hold public political campaigns against legislature?
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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Hyperbolic assumptions. There is nothing showing how those that are on the list will be addressed.
    Much much more importantly, there's nothing showing that it won't happen. Since it can happen, you're enabling it by defending it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    People have freedom to oppose the health care bill. Are you saying Obama doesn't have the right or is in violation of some law by documenting who the opponents of a the bill are?
    People have the freedom to oppose the government without having to worry that their exercise of their First Amendment freedoms will get their name on a McCarthy-like list of enemies.

    Given the past recent history of the Democrats, retaliation against those who oppose them isn't a risk, it's a near certainty.

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So you wish to deny the White House the ability to participate and /or respond to individuals statements who hold public political campaigns against legislature?
    It's not the White House's job to respond to individual citizens opposed to their Big Brother plans.

    Are the far left extremists the people who opposed the PATRIOT Act on purely partisan and totally irrational grounds? Aren't they now defending the collection of private personal information by their Messiah?

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The commentary said it was a hit list and honestly I don't know what the White House is planning to do with the list but I HOPE it is PR outreach on the topics being discussed and not silencing of those performing the campaign. If it is that, I have no problems with the compiling the list. Those on the list gave consent to be tracked when they choose to publicly participate in a political campaign.
    You mean "public outreach" like this one?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJoLftlARf8"]YouTube - Obama Calls Protesters "Angry Mob, Desperate Republicans, with Manufactured Anger"[/ame]

    Evidence of these angry mobs:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UonyBfwQaio"]YouTube - Fed Up Americans Erupt Over Obama's Govt Healthcare Takeover, Scolded by Pompous Kathleen Sebelius[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XVlNpyFKuw&feature=related"]YouTube - Kathleen Sebelius & Arlen Specter Grilled At Town Hall Meeting[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-gTJqU7VoU&feature=related"]YouTube - Congressman Lloyd Doggett failed meeting[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn71-wNccsw&feature=related"]YouTube - Claire McCaskill's Office Holds Town Hall-- Tea Party Breaks Out[/ame]

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