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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This is coming from the same people who railed against the NSA program and Patriot Act? What irony!
    I have failed to see where the WhiteHouse is populating this list through wiretaps and private conversations amongst citizens. Please provide a source if this is a case.
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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Want to know what I think? No? OK, I will tell you anyways.

    1) Emails with purportedly false information are flying around. I have actually gotten a couple of them.

    2) I do not believe it is unreasonable to compile a list of the emails to see what kind of false information is in them.

    3) Unfortunately, email addresses are attached to emails, and they will also be collected.

    4) The alternative is to NOT look at what is being circulated about your programs, and to be kept in the dark.

    5) The solution? Collect the emails and see what is in them.

    6) As for the possibility that Obama is collecting an enemies list, I haven't seen any proof. Just a lot of speculation from people who have a political axe to grind.

    7) But don't forget that, in America, everybody has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of making stuff up.
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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

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    I don't get it.
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    The historical record informs those wise enough to heed its harsh instruction that this is often a prelude to suppression and/or persecution.

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I guess you missed the OP; this isn't about the White House documenting the politicians, but rather documenting CITIZENS who oppose it to counter their "disinformation."

    If they are compiling this from public statements by people, what is wrong with that?

    I agree though, if they ae tapping phone lines or using ILLEGAL means to get the names, then that is wrong.

    However, there is no indication of anything illegal being done.

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Are these citizens publicly opposing the health care bill or are they doing it privately?
    BOTH.

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    I have a problem with the White House creating a list of people by tracing private phone calls or the individual in their house. If the citizen is CHOOSING to publicly oppose health care in a public forum then there is no issue here.
    So you have no problem with the White House asking citizens to inform them of those who oppose this legislation and compile lists of their "private" e-mail addresses; got it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Is it your opinion it should be illegal for the White House to offer rebuttals to opinion and commentary provided by citizens on legislation?
    It is my opinion that when Government starts asking citizens to report on their fellow citizens in a partisan effort to stifle debate, I say that it is a step towards authoritarianism.

    Why should the Government concern itself with gathering information on citizens who oppose their efforts to "Socialize" 1/3 of the American economy against the citizens wishes? But rather it should welcome those comments and engage them in a dialogue to make certain that what we are doing has universal support and meets the needs of its citizens.

    Having a "HIT" list just does not seem to be the direction we want our Government to go is it?

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Want to know what I think? No? OK, I will tell you anyways.

    1) Emails with purportedly false information are flying around. I have actually gotten a couple of them.

    2) I do not believe it is unreasonable to compile a list of the emails to see what kind of false information is in them.

    3) Unfortunately, email addresses are attached to emails, and they will also be collected.

    4) The alternative is to NOT look at what is being circulated about your programs, and to be kept in the dark.

    5) The solution? Collect the emails and see what is in them.

    6) As for the possibility that Obama is collecting an enemies list, I haven't seen any proof. Just a lot of speculation from people who have a political axe to grind.

    7) But don't forget that, in America, everybody has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of making stuff up.
    Ah yes, it makes perfect sense to have one's Government concerned about the circulation of rumors on the internet and in e-mails doesn't it; who sounds paranoid again?

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    BOTH.



    So you have no problem with the White House asking citizens to inform them of those who oppose this legislation and compile lists of their "private" e-mail addresses; got it!



    It is my opinion that when Government starts asking citizens to report on their fellow citizens in a partisan effort to stifle debate, I say that it is a step towards authoritarianism.

    Why should the Government concern itself with gathering information on citizens who oppose their efforts to "Socialize" 1/3 of the American economy against the citizens wishes? But rather it should welcome those comments and engage them in a dialogue to make certain that what we are doing has universal support and meets the needs of its citizens.

    Having a "HIT" list just does not seem to be the direction we want our Government to go is it?
    Actually, you don't get it. There is a huge difference between asking citizens to turn in their neighbors and asking citizens to provide examples of misleading information. I have seen no reliable information that the government is getting citizens to turn in their neighbors in order to make a hit list - Only rants from hyperpartisans who have a political axe to grind. However, should you come across some reliable information that this is happening, show it to me, and I will join you in condemning Obama.
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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I have failed to see where the WhiteHouse is populating this list through wiretaps and private conversations amongst citizens. Please provide a source if this is a case.
    I see, so in your funny world, as long as the Government compiles the list from informants and not from wiretaps, it's okay. Got it!

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, you don't get it. There is a huge difference between asking citizens to turn in their neighbors and asking citizens to provide examples of misleading information. I have seen no reliable information that the government is getting citizens to turn in their neighbors in order to make a hit list - Only rants from hyperpartisans who have a political axe to grind. However, should you come across some reliable information that this is happening, show it to me, and I will join you in condemning Obama.
    Yeah that's it Dan; it's just a bunch of hyper partisans with an axe to grind. Carry on!

    Man, coming from the guy who spent every waking moment chanting "the sky is falling" under Bush, this smacks of profound irony.

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Yeah that's it Dan; it's just a bunch of hyper partisans with an axe to grind. Carry on!

    Man, coming from the guy who spent every waking moment chanting "the sky is falling" under Bush, this smacks of profound irony.
    Show me your proof, and I will join you.
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