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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm guessing that you are a staunch defender of homosexual rights correct? For gay marriage?

    I'm guessing that you're a staunch supporter of illegal immigrants having right sin this country yes? Allow them to have emergency medical coverage, go to school on our dime, etc?

    I'm guessing you had no issues with war protesters and were staunch opponents of GWB's "free speech zones" and called them unamerican for questioning a president during a crisis other such things right?

    You know because...

    They came for the gay people,
    and I did not speak up because I was not gay

    Then they came after the illegal immigrants,
    and I did not speak up because I was not illegal

    Then they came after war protesters,
    and I did not speak up because I supported the war

    Then they came for me -

    Do you realize that no matter how famous that idiotic bit of dribble is its so hypocritically overused its not even funny any longer?
    Good lord, you take Red Herring to the next level don't you?

    No one is coming for Gay people, or LEGAL Immigrants or War Protestors; that is absurd and more the fantasy world that apparently resides in that funny head of yours.

    Carry on; I look forward to more emotional hysterics which are more fantastical nonsense and red herrings than coherent points that relate to the thread.


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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Good lord, you take Red Herring to the next level don't you?

    No one is coming for Gay people, or LEGAL Immigrants or War Protestors; that is absurd and more the fantasy world that apparently resides in that funny head of yours.

    Carry on; I look forward to more emotional hysterics which are more fantastical nonsense and red herrings than coherent points that relate to the thread.

    And there's absolutely nothing proving Obama's "Coming" for American's either. Nothing except emotional hystericals which are more fantasical nonsense and red herrings than a coherent point.

    Carry on


    Now, you could argue he's infringing upon peoples rights or what people VIEW as their rights.

    But if THAT'S your arguments then my post illustrates other similar circumstances where someones percieved rights, be it natural of state-protected, are also potentially being violated and yet he doesn't care.

    Thanks, you're exactly correct TD! The OP was using nothing but emotional hysterics which are more fantastical nonsense than coherent points.

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote: Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    How are Conservatives the paranoid ones? How fascinating that you don't comprehend the definition of paranoia.

    But then, you were probably one of the paranoid Liberals during Bush's Presidency and blathered the typical hyperbolic fear mongering that he was listening into all our conversations and taking away our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    I already addressed this. You're just asking me to pull all of the "Very Conservatives" of this board that have said that exact phrase in response to the Patriot Act.
    I have NO idea what the hell you are attempting to argue; the attacks against the Patriot Act were another example of the paranoid hysterics Liberals blathered the media and internet with.

    But alas, I have still to see anyone who can make the case or provide a legitimate example where the act took away anyone's constitutional rights.


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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And there's absolutely nothing proving Obama's "Coming" for American's either. Nothing except emotional hystericals which are more fantasical nonsense and red herrings than a coherent point.

    Carry on
    That’s amusing considering that this thread is about Obama’s White House compiling lists of people who dare to spread “mis-information” about his healthcare bill.

    What part of National Socialist do you not get? He made a valid comparison and you ramble on with hysterics about illegal aliens and gays?

    What part of this do you not get?

    Cornyn, who leads the Republicans' Senate campaign effort, said Wednesday in a letter to Obama that he's concerned that citizen engagement on the issue could be "chilled." He also expressed alarm that the White House could end up collecting electronic information on its critics.

    "I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward e-mails critical of his policies to the White House," Cornyn wrote.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Now, you could argue he's infringing upon peoples rights or what people VIEW as their rights.
    I didn’t see anyone arguing that he is infringing on people’s rights; I read it correctly as an attempt to chill citizen engagement in the debate…..in other words, for the emotionally hysterical; an attempt to stifle open debate by targeting Americans for rebuke.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    But if THAT'S your arguments then my post illustrates other similar circumstances where someones percieved rights, be it natural of state-protected, are also potentially being violated and yet he doesn't care.
    Your posts illustrates nonsensical rhetoric; nothing more. But perhaps you are fine with the US Government asking the citizens of this country to report on fellow citizens and gather information on them in an effort to attack their efforts to debate this very serious issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thanks, you're exactly correct TD! The OP was using nothing but emotional hysterics which are more fantastical nonsense than coherent points.
    Now you project your own emotional hysterics onto the OP; why am I hardly surprised by this?

    Carry on; I enjoy watching the clown like antics many use to avoid substantial debate on this issue in an attempt to avoid the reality that this Governments desperate attempts to compile information are an effort to impugn those who would dare disagree and make the false claims that these are right wing “nuts” who have been programmed by Rush Limbaugh should be ignored and promote the lies and distortions about their program which is basically mostly lies and fear mongering.

    This Government is uninterested in open honest bi-partisan debate; but rather demagogue those who dare disagree.

    As stated by one of these targeted individuals in a town hall debate which all of us need to ask our politicians; are you going to participate in the same Health Care program you want all of us to accept? If the answer is “no”, then there should be ZERO support for this program and the storm trooper tactics of this administration to gather information on those who dare to argue against it.

    I’m very surprised that you would take that position, but perhaps this is more to do with your “personal” feelings towards the author rather than any HONEST effort to debate the topic as illustrated by your absurd red herring argument.

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We're talking Democrats here. What they'll do with this information is send hidden requests to the IRS to audit them, get their names on the TSA's Do Not Fly list, and research them to find other ways to destroy their lives, their businesses, and their careers.

    One clear shot....climb the tree and see who sent off the major branches, and inform their employers that their computers are being used in an inappropriate manner the Messiah finds objectionable.
    Hyperbolic assumptions. There is nothing showing how those that are on the list will be addressed.

    People have freedom to oppose the health care bill. Are you saying Obama doesn't have the right or is in violation of some law by documenting who the opponents of a the bill are?
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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This coming from the very people who claimed that NSA attempts to intercept communications from potential terrorists overseas were an attack on rights to privacy? Interesting, yet Ironic.
    What exactly is listening to my private conversation that has NOTHING to do with governmental affairs have to do with the White House documenting the politicians that are publicly opposed to the Health care bill?
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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    People have freedom to oppose the health care bill. Are you saying Obama doesn't have the right or is in violation of some law by documenting who the opponents of a the bill are?
    This is coming from the same people who railed against the NSA program and Patriot Act? What irony!

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What exactly is listening to my private conversation that has NOTHING to do with governmental affairs have to do with the White House documenting the politicians that are publicly opposed to the Health care bill?
    I guess you missed the OP; this isn't about the White House documenting the politicians, but rather documenting CITIZENS who oppose it to counter their "disinformation."


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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And there's absolutely nothing proving Obama's "Coming" for American's either. Nothing except emotional hystericals which are more fantasical nonsense and red herrings than a coherent point.

    Carry on


    Now, you could argue he's infringing upon peoples rights or what people VIEW as their rights.

    But if THAT'S your arguments then my post illustrates other similar circumstances where someones percieved rights, be it natural of state-protected, are also potentially being violated and yet he doesn't care.

    Thanks, you're exactly correct TD! The OP was using nothing but emotional hysterics which are more fantastical nonsense than coherent points.
    Drawing historical parallels with current events in an attempt to show the dangers inherit with inaction or just turning a blind eye is far from hysterical. What is less worthy is to attempt to detract from he spirit or central core of the message with hyperbole.
    The central core in this case if examined with less than the glazed over eyes of Obama's disciples is that he leading us down a path not unlike that of the National Socialists of the Hitler era, and to take a small portion of that message and to waste time on it does nothing but bolster his followers and aid in the trip toward a distructive end. Here's another old saying you can try to use to move away fom the facts.
    “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it "

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    Re: Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I guess you missed the OP; this isn't about the White House documenting the politicians, but rather documenting CITIZENS who oppose it to counter their "disinformation."

    Are these citizens publicly opposing the health care bill or are they doing it privately?

    I have a problem with the White House creating a list of people by tracing private phone calls or the individual in their house. If the citizen is CHOOSING to publicly oppose health care in a public forum then there is no issue here.

    Is it your opinion it should be illegal for the White House to offer rebuttals to opinion and commentary provided by citizens on legislation?
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