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Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

So asking if they have medicare is the same as asking if they want medicare?


The amount of dishonesty and lies you all are engaging in is shameful.
I'm gonna love it when he tries to counter the last response I made to him.
 
I'm gonna love it when he tries to counter the last response I made to him.




These guys are nuts, the got ther marching orders to smear and slander American citizens with this "astroturf" "contrived" crap, but are silent on thier sides blatant organizing of labor unions to squash them..


I am planning on attending one of these town meetings in a week or so, Let one of these union bozos try to intimidate me.... :lol:


Its the certain group of liberals here who have no problem with hypocrisy.... We had a couple ourselves regarding war protestors, but no where this quantity.


Its insane.....
 
In any event, there isn't enough of a consensus in government or in the public to abolish Medicare/Medicaid, these programs are going to break the budget, so we need a viable alternative. Public insurance is the alternative which has gotten momentum.

Conservatives had the 2004-2006 Congress and an oval office to reform the failing Medicare/Medicaid programs and the health care industry according to their specifications. Neither their politicians or their grassroots organizations cared to address the issue then. Their opinions don't matter now.

So asking if they have medicare is the same as asking if they want medicare?


The amount of dishonesty and lies you all are engaging in is shameful.

Disenrollment is voluntary.
 
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Disenrollment is voluntary.
Actually, no it isn't, there is an open enrollment period for medicare part B as that is optional, but part A is an automatic enrollment that starts with contributory requirements(payroll taxes for x amount of quarters worked), and once eligibility requirements are met, disablitiy or attained age = ss benefit age, then the part A benefits are available. The only exception I can remember is Railroad workers and V.A.
 
Besides this poster posting this has never linked to his fish story...


Don't we pay into medicade as well? It's thier money.

What point are you trying to make?

Actually, no it isn't, there is an open enrollment period for medicare part B as that is optional, but part A is an automatic enrollment that starts with contributory requirements(payroll taxes for x amount of quarters worked), and once eligibility requirements are met, disablitiy or attained age = ss benefit age, then the part A benefits are available. The only exception I can remember is Railroad workers and V.A.

Part A is involuntary for people over 65. Okay. But for everybody else both A and B are voluntary.
 
I've never seen anything like this before, and I'm loving it. It's about time real Americans began standing up for America, rather that the far left nuts that we've had to endure (and laugh at) over the years.

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"Real Americans"? Read the description of the videos of the event posted by the activist group themselves:
Citizen input on Ron Klein's support of nationalized health care. Real information in this 7 part video series including testimony from doctors, insurance professionals and individuals who experienced government oppression in former communist Poland, Iran, and the Soviet Union. Extensive comments about the failing health systems of Canada and the UK

Does that sound grass roots to you? Sounds to me like a dog and pony show that was produced by a well financed group determined to undermine health care reform at any cost. These are not "concerned Americans", they are bit players in a charade.
 
What point are you trying to make?

Not simple enough for you?


We pay for medicare, asking them if they "have it" instead of "Want it" is a dishonest question.




Part A is involuntary for people over 65. Okay. But for everybody else both A and B are voluntary.



Paid for with money coming from your pay check. Sure disenroll and get a refund of all the money put in. That would be fair.


Your position lacks depth.
 
Not simple enough for you?


We pay for medicare, asking them if they "have it" instead of "Want it" is a dishonest question.


Paid for with money coming from your pay check. Sure disenroll and get a refund of all the money put in. That would be fair.


Your position lacks depth.

So you would like to end Medicare. Does it matter that you are in a tiny minority, or will you hold your breath and turn blue if you don't get what you want?
 
So you would like to end Medicare. Does it matter that you are in a tiny minority, or will you hold your breath and turn blue if you don't get what you want?




I think Obama wants to end medicare.... Your personal attack, btw, was pretty lame, if you are going to skirt the rules, you probably should at least up your game.....


Just a heads up....


So no comment on the unions going to the town hall protests? hypocrisy anyone?
 
We pay for medicare, asking them if they "have it" instead of "Want it" is a dishonest question.

Point #1: Wanting stuff is easy. Changing your mind about what you want is also easy. Want based on bad understanding of the situation is common. And implementing political policies is hard; it takes a lot of willpower, time, and resources from a lot of politicians, bureaucrats, and citizens, and policies are hard to reform or turn around once set into motion. Hence, the value of people 'wanting' something when it comes to political policy is diminished; it is possible to change the want a lot quicker and more easily than the policy.

Point #2: Most people don't want to get rid of Medicare, and most of those who do don't want to get rid of Medicare as such, meaning, without making provisions for certain categories of person to continue receiving some form of coverage.

Paid for with money coming from your pay check. Sure disenroll and get a refund of all the money put in. That would be fair.


Your position lacks depth.

Reality lacks depth? That's not financially possible. Rates of medical treatment today costs more than the rate of wages people were making decades ago, so the money people put in is already well in the process of being spent up; you can't reimburse one person in life unless you can reimburse every person in theory. Otherwise, the policy would be unjust.
 
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Will.. you are either mislead by your media or your are so distantly removed from reality you cannot see the truth..

Speaking as an Angry Mob of ONE, you obviously don't get it...

We tried raising our voices alone and were ignored so we were forced to group together.. liberals are only accustomed to astroturfiing, so they don't understand what grassroots are, and THIS is grass roots! You now see and hear the fear of the progressives.. it is palatable.

BO himself has called out his dogs and immediately violence breaks out in Tampa as a DIRECT result of Obama's community organizer thug mentality.. He has called on the true king of astroturfing, Axlerod who has gotten rich from manufacturing (his Co ASK, google it) exactly what our grassroots movement has become naturally.. shame on liberals, Axlerod, and the one who has brought a classless Chi-Town thugary to the Whitehouse it'self!

I too hope they keep up the thugary exposing for all Americans their darkness, it will serve conservatism and America well in 2010...
 
Point #1: Wanting stuff is easy. Changing your mind about what you want is also easy. Want based on bad understanding of the situation is common. And implementing political policies is hard; it takes a lot of willpower, time, and resources from a lot of politicians, bureaucrats, and citizens, and policies are hard to reform or turn around once set into motion. Hence, the value of people 'wanting' something when it comes to political policy is diminished; it is possible to change the want a lot quicker and more easily than the policy.

Point #2: Most people don't want to get rid of Medicare.



Reality lacks depth? That's not financially possible. Rates of medical treatment today costs more than the rate of wages people were making decades ago, so the money people put in is already well in the process of being spent up; you can't reimburse one person in life unless you can reimburse every person in theory. Otherwise, the policy would be unjust.




I find it ironic, the argument that we don't have the money for medicade, but we have a trillion more for Obamacare..... :lol:
 
Will.. you are either mislead by your media or your are so distantly removed from reality you cannot see the truth..

Speaking as an Angry Mob of ONE, you obviously don't get it...

We tried raising our voices alone and were ignored so we were forced to group together.. liberals are only accustomed to astroturfiing, so they don't understand what grassroots are, and THIS is grass roots! You now see and hear the fear of the progressives.. it is palatable.

BO himself has called out his dogs and immediately violence breaks out in Tampa as a DIRECT result of Obama's community organizer thug mentality.. He has called on the true king of astroturfing, Axlerod who has gotten rich from manufacturing (his Co ASK, google it) exactly what our grassroots movement has become naturally.. shame on liberals, Axlerod, and the one who has brought a classless Chi-Town thugary to the Whitehouse it'self!

I too hope they keep up the thugary exposing for all Americans their darkness, it will serve conservatism and America well in 2010...

Refusing to allow a town hall meeting to proceed is not democracy, it is mob rule. Hanging a congressman in effigy is not an expression of free speech, it is a threat of violence. The thugs you are defending have no intention of allowing the democratic process to work, their intent is to intimidate and win at any cost. This is anti-American, and I will fight it to the end. What sort of American are you that you choose to defend mob rule?
 
Refusing to allow a town hall meeting to proceed is not democracy, it is mob rule. Hanging a congressman in effigy is not an expression of free speech, it is a threat of violence. The thugs you are defending have no intention of allowing the democratic process to work, their intent is to intimidate and win at any cost. This is anti-American, and I will fight it to the end. What sort of American are you that you choose to defend mob rule?




What do you think of code pink, cindy sheehan and thier actions?
 
I find it ironic, the argument that we don't have the money for medicade, but we have a trillion more for Obamacare..... :lol:

The amount of money the U.S. government possesses is not static. That's now how programs are run.

Anyway:

Private and Public Insurance Could Help Pay National Health Care Reform

Savings from the mixed private-public reform approach would be realized through less marketing and underwriting, reduced costs of claims administration, less time spent negotiating provider payment rates, and fewer or standardized commissions to insurance brokers.
 
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If you believe that propaganda regarding how UHC will save money I refer you to the cash for clunkers program...

It ran out of money in 4 days..... Open your eyes man.

What is your point here....the program was SUPPOSED to run out of money. That it ran out in 4 days is a mark of its success. But I think you know that, you are just following the Rightwing Rules for turning news inside out.
 
If you believe that propaganda regarding how UHC will save money I refer you to the cash for clunkers program...

It ran out of money in 4 days..... Open your eyes man.

The two don't compare. That program was just supposed to get clunkers off the road with a set amount of money. The set amount of money was vouched for faster than anticipated, but the same amount of clunkers will get off the road as would have had the money lasted for a month.
 
What is your point here....the program was SUPPOSED to run out of money. That it ran out in 4 days is a mark of its success. But I think you know that, you are just following the Rightwing Rules for turning news inside out.




Nonsense. Dealers are now sitting on junkers worried sick that they wont be paid for the free lunch promised by Obama.....


This is going to turn into a disaster while you chearlead Obama fiddling while the country burns.
 
What point are you trying to make?



Part A is involuntary for people over 65. Okay. But for everybody else both A and B are voluntary.
No, part A isn't involuntary, you are in the system if you are employed, you pay taxes on it, it only activates upon conditions being met, whether you use it or not you are enrolled.
 
Nonsense. Dealers are now sitting on junkers worried sick that they wont be paid for the free lunch promised by Obama.....


This is going to turn into a disaster while you chearlead Obama fiddling while the country burns.

They are irrationally worried then. The government stopped the program as soon as it was observed it was tapping out.
 
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No, part A isn't involuntary, you are in the system if you are employed, you pay taxes on it, it only activates upon conditions being met, whether you use it or not you are enrolled.

... the definition of 'voluntary' you are presupposing applies toward any form of taxation. By that standard, if I use public restrooms (I don't), then I ought to be reimbursed the cost of maintaining them.
 
... the definition of 'voluntary' you are presupposing applies toward any form of taxation. By that standard, if I use public restrooms (I don't), then I ought to be reimbursed the cost of maintaining them.
Incorrect, there is taxation based on proper law, and then there is paying everyone else's way. Medicare is involuntary if you work and so are the associated taxes, only usage is voluntary, it is not the same thing whatsoever. Besides, the fed controls medicare, they do not control public restrooms, that is a state and local issue, not the same thing at all. Also of note, there are private options in medicare, none are welcome in the current proposal apparently.
 
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