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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Is Medicare a government funded health insurance program or not? Yes or no?

    Did he ask specifically "Do you have A, B, C, D"? No, he did not.

    Again, is Medicare a government funded health plan for seniors?

    I guess what you seem incapable of understanding the obvious, which others have seemed quite capable of understanding is this: They are protesting government run health care while raising their hands to using government run health care. Get it now? I know you are not being this dense, so this is obviously an attempt at trying to diffuse a very valid point that is made.

    You might want to read up a bit on what UHC is by definition, what is being proposed through public option, and what is expected to be passed. Maybe I would not be so smug if people bothered to read and educate themselves outside of the partisan talking points. I am referring to this:

    I think you would probably be smug as well when dealing with an issue such as this and having to point out the errors time and time again, only to see people use the same damn talking point. It does get very tiring.
    Let me tell you something, Einstein. Medicare is already the law and nothing is being done about it. We're trying to stop a new law that is even worse. So take your argument about is Medicare a govt program and stuff it where the sun don't shine. We already know that. You socialist think you're so smug.
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Is Medicare a government funded health insurance program or not? Yes or no?

    Did he ask specifically "Do you have A, B, C, D"? No, he did not.
    Then he wasn't being honest. Again, what is the difference between medicare part A and medicare part B, and what is the requirement to get coverage from part C-?. Oh, and by the way, the question mark isn't because I don't know the extent of the private options, it's because I want you to pony up with something that tells me you know something....anything about what you are talking about, since you stopped at part D I will assume you don't know much. So again, what makes medicare different from what you want? I know the answer, medicare is partially contributory and has private options, so again, how is the representatives statement relevant?

    Again, is Medicare a government funded health plan for seniors?
    No No. You don't get to play this game, show me you have some functional knowledge of what you are talking about, the very simple answer is that medicare is C-O-N-T-R-I-B-U-T-O-R-Y, if you need help with that, it means you had to pay something for a period certain to get any benefits from it, medicare also has P-R-I-V-A-T-E O-P-T-I-O-N-S, that means that there are, when certain conditions are met.....now, pay attention.....it means that it is semi privatized. This is not the case with the UHC proposal. So again, what is the relevance of what the representative brought up?

    I guess what you seem incapable of understanding the obvious, which others have seemed quite capable of understanding is this: They are protesting government run health care while raising their hands to using government run health care. Get it now? I know you are not being this dense, so this is obviously an attempt at trying to diffuse a very valid point that is made.
    Yeah, they are using what they paid in to. What you are oblivious to, whether intentionally or you just ignorant to, is that the two systems are incompatible for the purposes of the discussion. Get it yet?

    You might want to read up a bit on what UHC is by definition, what is being proposed through public option, and what is expected to be passed. Maybe I would not be so smug if people bothered to read and educate themselves outside of the partisan talking points. I am referring to this:
    Dude, I am a Life/Health insurance agent, don't try this bull **** on me, I have forgotten more than you think you know on these topics.

    I think you would probably be smug as well when dealing with an issue such as this and having to point out the errors time and time again, only to see people use the same damn talking point. It does get very tiring.
    When you get it right, I'll let you know, so far you are doing nothing more than pushing an agenda and repeating a bunch of crap.
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Another contrived event, which we are supposed to think is a "grass roots" movement of people fed up with Omamerica. All these events are coordinated through RecessRally.com, and reading their remarks it sounds like they will not stop at invading offices:


    Recess Rally – 08.22.09 Asheville “Tea Party” Protest

    This is a gross misuse of the democratic process, these people don't want a conversation, they want to stop the conversation. This is no more legitimate than the thugs who invaded the Dade county election board in 2000, and is probably organized by the same people.
    If the strategy of the Republican party is to stage "outrage", then enlist posters like you to "confirm" the outrage on forums like this, then the Republican party deserves to be run out of business, the sooner the better.




    Wow, so I guess for you freedom of speech is not for all... how statist of you. And with the lies and hypocrisy... shameful.
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Protesters in Ybor City drown out health care summit on Obama's proposal - St. Petersburg Times


    And they got violent. Nice to know that they are being push forward to such extremes by Fox News and the RNC... is that the kind of politics the right wants?



    They got violent? Where? Did you just make that up? Come on.....
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    You don't get it do you?

    Question: 'How many of you oppose government-run health care?'
    Answer: They all raise their hands

    Question: "How many of you have Medicare?"
    Answer: A good number of hands go up from the same audience.

    People who are on Medicare, don't want "Socialized" government run health care. So, either they are incredible dumb, or just craven hypocrites.

    So which is it? I'll let you decide.



    So asking if they have medicare is the same as asking if they want medicare?


    The amount of dishonesty and lies you all are engaging in is shameful.
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So asking if they have medicare is the same as asking if they want medicare?


    The amount of dishonesty and lies you all are engaging in is shameful.
    I'm gonna love it when he tries to counter the last response I made to him.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm gonna love it when he tries to counter the last response I made to him.



    These guys are nuts, the got ther marching orders to smear and slander American citizens with this "astroturf" "contrived" crap, but are silent on thier sides blatant organizing of labor unions to squash them..


    I am planning on attending one of these town meetings in a week or so, Let one of these union bozos try to intimidate me....


    Its the certain group of liberals here who have no problem with hypocrisy.... We had a couple ourselves regarding war protestors, but no where this quantity.


    Its insane.....
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    In any event, there isn't enough of a consensus in government or in the public to abolish Medicare/Medicaid, these programs are going to break the budget, so we need a viable alternative. Public insurance is the alternative which has gotten momentum.

    Conservatives had the 2004-2006 Congress and an oval office to reform the failing Medicare/Medicaid programs and the health care industry according to their specifications. Neither their politicians or their grassroots organizations cared to address the issue then. Their opinions don't matter now.

    So asking if they have medicare is the same as asking if they want medicare?


    The amount of dishonesty and lies you all are engaging in is shameful.
    Disenrollment is voluntary.
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Disenrollment is voluntary.



    Besides this poster posting this has never linked to his fish story...


    Don't we pay into medicade as well? It's thier money.
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Disenrollment is voluntary.
    Actually, no it isn't, there is an open enrollment period for medicare part B as that is optional, but part A is an automatic enrollment that starts with contributory requirements(payroll taxes for x amount of quarters worked), and once eligibility requirements are met, disablitiy or attained age = ss benefit age, then the part A benefits are available. The only exception I can remember is Railroad workers and V.A.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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