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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Protesters in Ybor City drown out health care summit on Obama's proposal - St. Petersburg Times
    Instead, hundreds of vocal critics turned out, many of them saying they had been spurred on through the Tampa 912 activist group promoted by conservative radio and television personality Glenn Beck. Others had received e-mails from the Hillsborough Republican Party that urged people to speak out against the plan and offered talking points.
    And they got violent. Nice to know that they are being push forward to such extremes by Fox News and the RNC... is that the kind of politics the right wants?
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Just how dumb are the dumbest of the dumb? Read on:

    'How many of you oppose government-run health care?'

    The latest town hall gone wild video making the rounds shows the battle Democrats have on their hands in explaining some basic facts about the government role in health care.

    In this video, (scroll to about 4:34) an audience member takes control of Rep. Gene Green's (D-Texas) town hall event on health care, asking for a show of hands in the audience of "how many of you oppose any form of socialized or government-run health care?"

    The audience cheers and they all raise their hands.

    Then Green shoots back: "How many of you have Medicare?"

    A good number of hands go up from the same audience.

    Medicare, alas, is government-run health care.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzJxKVJQds"]YouTube - Gene Green Town Hall 08032009 part 2[/ame]



    I think Paul Krugman put into words much more kindly than I can towards these imbeciles:
    Now, people who don’t know that Medicare is a government program probably aren’t reacting to what President Obama is actually proposing. They may believe some of the disinformation opponents of health care reform are spreading, like the claim that the Obama plan will lead to euthanasia for the elderly. (That particular claim is coming straight from House Republican leaders.) But they’re probably reacting less to what Mr. Obama is doing, or even to what they’ve heard about what he’s doing, than to who he is.
    Well, I don't know if I really agree or not with him, as it seems apparent over and over that most people seem to be extremely ignorant to the level of "Socialism" they all take for granted, use, have no desire to do without, and would not be in favor of ending.

    Why are conservatives such craven hypocrites?

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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Just how dumb are the dumbest of the dumb? Read on:

    'How many of you oppose government-run health care?'


    YouTube - Gene Green Town Hall 08032009 part 2



    I think Paul Krugman put into words much more kindly than I can towards these imbeciles:


    Well, I don't know if I really agree or not with him, as it seems apparent over and over that most people seem to be extremely ignorant to the level of "Socialism" they all take for granted, use, have no desire to do without, and would not be in favor of ending.

    Why are conservatives such craven hypocrites?
    Oh, so either they agree with you and government's (unconstitutional) attempt to monopolize control of heatlhcare or they are idiots, how patriotic of you. Here's a hint, the groundswell against this is growing, and the majority of people according to Zogby AND Rasmussen polls are swinging heavily against this, so.....either everyone else is an idiot for disagreeing with you and wanting their politicians to listen to them and adhere more towards the constitution, or a greater number of people are finally getting it, or, those that still want UHC are burying their heads in the sand, and none of the details matter......making them........?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Protesters in Ybor City drown out health care summit on Obama's proposal - St. Petersburg Times


    And they got violent. Nice to know that they are being push forward to such extremes by Fox News and the RNC... is that the kind of politics the right wants?
    Oh you mean like when folks from Moveon.org show up to anything that has someone that is consider either a reuplican or Conserative speaking they do the same thing. hey Peter we have this thing called the 1st Adm and we can use that unlike your little Country which is trampling on your right to voice an opinion.

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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Oh, so either they agree with you and government's (unconstitutional) attempt to monopolize control of heatlhcare or they are idiots, how patriotic of you. Here's a hint, the groundswell against this is growing, and the majority of people according to Zogby AND Rasmussen polls are swinging heavily against this, so.....either everyone else is an idiot for disagreeing with you and wanting their politicians to listen to them and adhere more towards the constitution, or a greater number of people are finally getting it, or, those that still want UHC are burying their heads in the sand, and none of the details matter......making them........?
    You don't get it do you?

    Question: 'How many of you oppose government-run health care?'
    Answer: They all raise their hands

    Question: "How many of you have Medicare?"
    Answer: A good number of hands go up from the same audience.

    People who are on Medicare, don't want "Socialized" government run health care. So, either they are incredible dumb, or just craven hypocrites.

    So which is it? I'll let you decide.

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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

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    You don't get it do you?
    Oh, I get it, do you? I've seen your little games all around this forum, you have been saying everyone who disagrees "doesn't get it", so are to assume that is or isn't code word for idiot.

    Question: 'How many of you oppose government-run health care?'
    Answer: They all raise their hands

    Question: "How many of you have Medicare?"
    Answer: A good number of hands go up from the same audience.

    People who are on Medicare, don't want "Socialized" government run health care. So, either they are incredible dumb, or just craven hypocrites.
    You DO know that medicare has multiple private options right? You Also DO know that medicare part B is a paid option to part A right? Then you would also know that the UHC your side wants would be 100% taxpayer subsidized, meaning that some would have to pay for the healthcare of all right? So.....what part of this do we need to understand again?
    So which is it? I'll let you decide.
    I'll wait until you describe medicare so that I know whether to tear you a new one or just correct you.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Another contrived event, which we are supposed to think is a "grass roots" movement of people fed up with Omamerica. All these events are coordinated through RecessRally.com, and reading their remarks it sounds like they will not stop at invading offices:


    Recess Rally – 08.22.09 Asheville “Tea Party” Protest

    This is a gross misuse of the democratic process, these people don't want a conversation, they want to stop the conversation. This is no more legitimate than the thugs who invaded the Dade county election board in 2000, and is probably organized by the same people.
    If the strategy of the Republican party is to stage "outrage", then enlist posters like you to "confirm" the outrage on forums like this, then the Republican party deserves to be run out of business, the sooner the better.
    Your brand of socialism isn't welcome. I hope this is only the beginning of a revolution to cleanse this country of socialist minds like yours. You way is anti-Constitutional and against the plans of the Founders.
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    You don't get it do you?

    Question: 'How many of you oppose government-run health care?'
    Answer: They all raise their hands

    Question: "How many of you have Medicare?"
    Answer: A good number of hands go up from the same audience.

    People who are on Medicare, don't want "Socialized" government run health care. So, either they are incredible dumb, or just craven hypocrites.

    So which is it? I'll let you decide.
    Are you ADK-Forever?
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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Protesters in Ybor City drown out health care summit on Obama's proposal - St. Petersburg Times


    And they got violent. Nice to know that they are being push forward to such extremes by Fox News and the RNC... is that the kind of politics the right wants?
    "Society [has] a right to erase from the roll of its members any one who rendered his own existence inconsistent with theirs; to withdraw from him the protection of their laws, and to remove him from among them by exile, or even by death if necessary."--Thomas Jefferson to L. H. Girardin, 1815. ME 14:277

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    Re: Tempers flare in South Florida over healthcare overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Oh, I get it, do you? I've seen your little games all around this forum, you have been saying everyone who disagrees "doesn't get it", so are to assume that is or isn't code word for idiot.

    You DO know that medicare has multiple private options right? You Also DO know that medicare part B is a paid option to part A right? Then you would also know that the UHC your side wants would be 100% taxpayer subsidized, meaning that some would have to pay for the healthcare of all right? So.....what part of this do we need to understand again?
    I'll wait until you describe medicare so that I know whether to tear you a new one or just correct you.
    Is Medicare a government funded health insurance program or not? Yes or no?

    Did he ask specifically "Do you have A, B, C, D"? No, he did not.

    Again, is Medicare a government funded health plan for seniors?

    I guess what you seem incapable of understanding the obvious, which others have seemed quite capable of understanding is this: They are protesting government run health care while raising their hands to using government run health care. Get it now? I know you are not being this dense, so this is obviously an attempt at trying to diffuse a very valid point that is made.

    You might want to read up a bit on what UHC is by definition, what is being proposed through public option, and what is expected to be passed. Maybe I would not be so smug if people bothered to read and educate themselves outside of the partisan talking points. I am referring to this:
    UHC your side wants would be 100% taxpayer subsidized, meaning that some would have to pay for the healthcare of all right?
    I think you would probably be smug as well when dealing with an issue such as this and having to point out the errors time and time again, only to see people use the same damn talking point. It does get very tiring.

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