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    Re: Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You do realize this "groundswell" is phony, the "grass roots activists" paid for and bused in, the same ones being bused all around the country.You do realize this entire charade is paid for by billionaire rightwing activists and coordinated through the Republican party. Of course you realize that, you are just playing your part in the circus. "Seems a ground swell has started"....bullcrap.
    I don't realize this at all.

    In fact I find the notion idiotic.

    Could there be people with deep pockets assisting in this groundswell?

    Sure. That's how it usually works.

    But millions of people are legitimately angry about this proposed system

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    Re: Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You do realize this "groundswell" is phony, the "grass roots activists" paid for and bused in, the same ones being bused all around the country.You do realize this entire charade is paid for by billionaire rightwing activists and coordinated through the Republican party. Of course you realize that, you are just playing your part in the circus. "Seems a ground swell has started"....bullcrap.



    Why do you lie?


    Please prove this democrat talking point. Its getting pretty foolish with the baseless accusations you all are engaging in.
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    Re: Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

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    I don't realize this at all.

    In fact I find the notion idiotic.

    Could there be people with deep pockets assisting in this groundswell?

    Sure. That's how it usually works.

    But millions of people are legitimately angry about this proposed system
    More like Insurance Companies with deep pockets....who are deathly afraid that anyone is challenging a "for-profit" healthcare system in which they make huge profits by denying coverage.
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    Re: Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    More like Insurance Companies with deep pockets....who are deathly afraid that anyone is challenging a "for-profit" healthcare system in which they make huge profits by denying coverage.
    right, whereas lobbyists hate it when the government gets more power. they never encourage it.

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    Re: Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Why do you lie?


    Please prove this democrat talking point. Its getting pretty foolish with the baseless accusations you all are engaging in.
    It would be great if we can make it through a single thread without you starting the process of calling someone a liar or a troll.

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    Re: Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    right, whereas lobbyists hate it when the government gets more power. they never encourage it.
    That's just it. There are lobbyists on all sides. The Insurance corporations have a huge number of lobbyists that they pay to protect their interests. That's how a capitalist system works. The left has them....the right have them.....corporations have them. Its how the political game is played...and these "groundswells" are just another example of it in process.
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    Re: Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

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    Just had to repost this, I just love how ignorant Republicans are, as well as dishonest:
    Since you want to be insulting, let me educate you.

    Historical Debt Outstanding Annual
    • Ronald Reagan went from $997B (09/30/1981) to $2,857B (09/29/1989)=$2.8 Trillion in 8 years
    • George H. Bush $2,857B (09/29/1989) to $4,411 (09/30/1993)=$1.5 4 Trillion in years
    • Clinton went from $4,411 (09/30/1993) to $5,807 (09/30/2001)= $1.4 Trillion in 8 years
    • George W. Bush $5,807 (09/30/2001) to $10,024 (09/30/2008) $4.2 Trillion in 8 years
      (note there is not data for 2009, which would include Bush's sendoff gift)

    Not done with George W. Bush though. We still have to add up Medicare's 2003 bill, that is another $1.2 trillion - Medicare Drug Benefit May Cost $1.2 Trillion
    Civics teaches us that congress has the power of the purse, they set fiscal policy and the president signs it, so guess who had power of the purse during Reagan and H.W.'s terms, the DEMOCRATS, who had the house in '94-2006, that's right the REPUBLICANS. Who has it now, with the exploding debt, including the WH, THE DEMOCRATS.
    Can we ever forget Iraq? That gift to debt will end up between $3-5 trillion more -The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More
    Total cost of Iraq, 3T by your estimates, startup cost of UHC in america 1.2T, cost estimates for first three years under current monetary values 12T. You lose.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    It would be great if we can make it through a single thread without you starting the process of calling someone a liar or a troll.



    I called his argument a lie because it is... Sorry that makes you sad panda.


    Are you really going to start with me again? Over will's misrepresentations of facts?
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    Re: Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Irrelevant, the war was passed by congress, which makes it legal and constitutionaln under the war powers provision of the document, and that falls under defense, which is mandated spending. UHC fails under the tenth amendment of the constitution so all discussion might as well end about it until an amendment is passed.

    I'll give you a clue, you're wrong, you are wrong if you add up the aggregates of both, year to year, and even an aggregate of the Iraq war versus any year of the proposed health plan. Don't believe me? Fine, the numbers are everywhere, including the CBO. One more thing, UHC is unconstitutional above the cost, so you fail on all counts.

    Congress passes budgets, presidents sign them, so the Republicans with executive approval passed that from 1994-about 1999, before Bush was elected AND correctly done. Please learn civics before you randomly spew out talking points.
    Spoken like a truly uninformed elitist. I'll tell you right now most of this post is forgetable for it's lack of correctness. You failed on comparative cost, you've failed on protocol, and you've failed to get your point across, so your only weapon left is blank condecension.
    Yes condescension, that is all I have left when dealing with Conservatives who shamelessly lie, lie, and lie. It is all you people do is lie. Well that and get all emotionally fearful of anything different, but that is another story.

    Don't even give me that damn "It's not in the Constitution". You know what, there is a whole hell of a lot of things NOT in the Constitution. Do you really want to go down that road? Why hasn't Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, blah blah blah all been ruled un-Constitutional?

    UHC? Bingo...another dishonesty from a Conservative. God you people are good at that. UHC? I will give you a minute to think this one through, do you really want to make this dishonest claim?

    p.s. Mr. Civics who submits the budget to Congress? Who has the proposals? And who between 1980-1988 submitted budgets greater than Congress wanted to approve?

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    Re: Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    More like Insurance Companies with deep pockets....who are deathly afraid that anyone is challenging a "for-profit" healthcare system in which they make huge profits by denying coverage.
    Okay, seriously, you need to stop slamming insurance companies, they are businesses like any other with smaller profit margins, this anti-corporate schtick of yours is getting old and doesn't advance anything in the discussion.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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