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    Re: Clunkers' Effect on Pollution? A Blip

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    This is what I was trying to get him to realize for himself by asking all of my questions.
    I know, but I don't think he's ever going to get there.

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    Re: Clunkers' Effect on Pollution? A Blip

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You're jumping to a conclusion here that just isn't true. Answer some more questions for me.

    Does a bank only loan out the money that it has in reserve? Well no, because we know that banks fail, and this happens when people cannot get all of the money back that they had given to the bank. So then banks fail, and it is because they loaned out more money than they had. So tell me, when banks are loaning out money that they do not have, is the act of investing really responsible for those bad loans?
    How about this. I've already answered y'alls last ten questions or so. How about if I'm so wrong, y'all just explain to me how ignorant of economics I am (or whatever). I'm really getting tired of this game as I've answered the last few questions with nothing to show for it except "yeah, well answer these questions now." One of y'all made the statement that I should stop talking about economics because I know nothing about it yet it's taking a load of questions to get nowhere.

    Just explain how I was wrong instead of making me answer a gauntlet of questions.

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    Re: Clunkers' Effect on Pollution? A Blip

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    How about this. I've already answered y'alls last ten questions or so. How about if I'm so wrong, y'all just explain to me how ignorant of economics I am (or whatever). I'm really getting tired of this game as I've answered the last few questions with nothing to show for it except "yeah, well answer these questions now." One of y'all made the statement that I should stop talking about economics because I know nothing about it yet it's taking a load of questions to get nowhere.

    Just explain how I was wrong instead of making me answer a gauntlet of questions.
    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez
    Does a bank only loan out the money that it has in reserve? Well no, because we know that banks fail, and this happens when people cannot get all of the money back that they had given to the bank. So then banks fail, and it is because they loaned out more money than they had. So tell me, when banks are loaning out money that they do not have, is the act of investing really responsible for those bad loans?
    You said that investing money was responsible for bad loans.

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    Re: Clunkers' Effect on Pollution? A Blip

    I was surprised to learn that the chemical used to seize the engine can not be removed by recycling, and that the engine blocks can not be scraped.

    Chemical wast in the land fill FTW

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    Re: Clunkers' Effect on Pollution? A Blip

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I was surprised to learn that the chemical used to seize the engine can not be removed by recycling, and that the engine blocks can not be scraped.

    Chemical wast in the land fill FTW
    Interesting, got a Link? seems to me that the small amount of chemical isn't enolugh to impact the millions of tons of scrap metal recycled each year...
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    Re: Clunkers' Effect on Pollution? A Blip

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Interesting, got a Link? seems to me that the small amount of chemical isn't enolugh to impact the millions of tons of scrap metal recycled each year...
    Sodium silicate.

    The Killer App for Clunkers Breathes Fresh Life Into 'Liquid Glass' - WSJ.com

    Sodium sillicate may make it impossible to separate cast iron from aluminum and steel.
    Last edited by Jerry; 08-08-09 at 01:02 PM.

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    Re: Clunkers' Effect on Pollution? A Blip

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Sodium silicate.

    The Killer App for Clunkers Breathes Fresh Life Into 'Liquid Glass' - WSJ.com

    Sodium sillicate may make it impossible to separate cast iron from aluminum and steel.
    Congress is worried about cheaters, what a concept.....

    I can think of easier, faster ways to ruin the engines, running it with no oil and no water alone is enough.
    My family, all 3 of them were there, ran one of our cars without water and it warped the head of a Mopar slant 6, an almost indestructible engine. They called me and asked what to do after a hose started leaking, and I told them to get a ride home and I would deal with it after work. Instead, some guy told them it would be OK to drive it home. Why bother calling me if you are just going to take the advice of a complete stranger?
    Pistons are aluminum, some small steel pellets poured into the intake of a fast running engine would destroy the pistons and score the cylinder walls.
    That should be enough....
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    Re: Clunkers' Effect on Pollution? A Blip

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I'll be honest, I'm not really sold on this "buy American" when it comes to cars. I mean, if I buy American, I inevitably am supporting the UAW which I don't like. If I buy a foreign made car, say a BMW, which has a plant 1 hour south of me, or a Subaru which has a plant in Indiana, I am supporting non-union jobs in this country. The money at the top is going to somewhere overseas, but people that high up aren't really my concern. It seems I support American workers no matter what car I buy.

    But its a moot point, since I'll never buy a new car anyway. I always buy used.
    We may agree on many things.
    I have found, o'er the past 60 years that dealing with car retailers can be distasteful...hence, the Saturn... I guess that did not work...
    I too, always buy used, dealing with one man is so much easier.
    I'm, at this point in time, neither pro nor anti UAW....but, there are many problems.
    The UAW AND the executives must quickly move into the 20st century..
    So, for the past 20-30 years, its been Saab,Honda, VW, and some strays.
    American automakers will never be able to design and build a decent passenger vehicle until either the MPG regulations are fully enforced(apply to all vehicles, not some) or until the price of fuel is at the European level.
    Our nation must have one goal, not 3.
    That one goal must be to eliminate the importation of Islamic oil to our country...
    Emissions, safety must be secondary..
    Cash for clunkers will have a little positive effect.
    Better is the Diesel engine and the government and environmentalists working together in a spirit of cooperation...maybe for the first time...

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    Re: Clunkers' Effect on Pollution? A Blip

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Congress is worried about cheaters, what a concept.....

    I can think of easier, faster ways to ruin the engines, running it with no oil and no water alone is enough.
    My family, all 3 of them were there, ran one of our cars without water and it warped the head of a Mopar slant 6, an almost indestructible engine. They called me and asked what to do after a hose started leaking, and I told them to get a ride home and I would deal with it after work. Instead, some guy told them it would be OK to drive it home. Why bother calling me if you are just going to take the advice of a complete stranger?
    Pistons are aluminum, some small steel pellets poured into the intake of a fast running engine would destroy the pistons and score the cylinder walls.
    That should be enough....
    Or we could just..I don't know...NOT destroy the cars

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    Re: Clunkers' Effect on Pollution? A Blip

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Or we could just..I don't know...NOT destroy the cars
    per the news, some scrap dealers say they won't accept them, certainly won't PAY for them.....

    but junk yard owners aren't all that smart either. the corporate owned, idiot managed ones put perfectly good collectibles out in the yard to be torn apart.

    SOME yards have a section where those older collectibles are sold as whole cars, but many don't. I tried to get one yard to sell me the 2 early 70's Plymount Dusters they had just got in, both with fine bodies, small v8 engines, auto trans. I would have paid $4000 for the pair, but the gal running the place said company policy is to not sell whole cars...she wouldn't even call corporate and ask for me...
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