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    House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like they actaully living Animal Farm. I'm, "Boxer", of course.

    Last year, lawmakers excoriated the CEOs of the Big Three automakers for traveling to Washington, D.C., by private jet to attend a hearing about a possible bailout of their companies.

    But apparently Congress is not philosophically averse to private air travel: At the end of July, the House approved nearly $200 million for the Air Force to buy three elite Gulfstream jets for ferrying top government officials and Members of Congress.

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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like they actaully living Animal Farm. I'm, "Boxer", of course.
    No Biggie I would guess that they are finally getting around to retiring the four C-37A-I that have seen better days. I would guess that at least two of the 37A-I will be sent to AMARC very soon.

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    IMO, it is perfectly reasonable for private jets to be available for use by congress. They, after all, are tasked with overseeing the country as a whole and their respective states specifically. Rapid, immediate travel is a necessary part of that, I would think.

    Now, using such taxpayer-funded transportation for personal use, such as going to a vacation resort, etc., is unacceptable.

    I also see no real issue with business executives doing the same thing, within reason.

    Example: A multi-national company uses private jets to transport it's key personnel to necessary locations.

    Again, trips which are not business related should cause issue with their stockholders/whatever entity cares about unneeded costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    No Biggie I would guess that they are finally getting around to retiring the four C-37A-I that have seen better days. I would guess that at least two of the 37A-I will be sent to AMARC very soon.
    Since we do not have the flight hours or the repair records of the old planes we cannot prove that this was a case of replacement of worn out equiptment or not. Yet I will tell you one thing and that is the two Congressmen who pushed for the inclusion of these aircraft into the budget happen to be from two Georgia districts where the vast majority of the components for these planes are made.

    We also cannot blame one party over the other for this because one of the "experts" in aircraft additions needs is a Republican and guess what the other is from the Democratic party.

    Maybe that is why we have not had a partisan bashing party yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Since we do not have the flight hours or the repair records of the old planes we cannot prove that this was a case of replacement of worn out equipment or not. Yet I will tell you one thing and that is the two Congressmen who pushed for the inclusion of these aircraft into the budget happen to be from two Georgia districts where the vast majority of the components for these planes are made.

    We also cannot blame one party over the other for this because one of the "experts" in aircraft additions needs is a Republican and guess what the other is from the Democratic party.

    Maybe that is why we have not had a partisan bashing party yet.
    It is very likely true that some members of congress had ulterior motives.

    I would bet that any and all bills brought up in congress are effected in some way by such things.

    That does not necessarily mean that it was not a needed change. Although it might.
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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    No Biggie I would guess that they are finally getting around to retiring the four C-37A-I that have seen better days. I would guess that at least two of the 37A-I will be sent to AMARC very soon.
    As you seem to be knowledgeable in this area, a few questions:

    Why would the C-37A's be completely retired? Could they not be sold, recouping part of the monies spent on them previously?

    Are the replacement planes better in most ways? Or are the replacements not an actual improvement on the ones replaced?

    And a thought.

    Is congress, perhaps, replacing their older business jets with less fuel-hungry ones in an attempt to deflect possible ridicule from those who support/oppose the theories on a carbon level:global warming relationship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It is very likely true that some members of congress had ulterior motives.

    I would bet that any and all bills brought up in congress are effected in some way by such things.

    That does not necessarily mean that it was not a needed change. Although it might.
    Us on this forum have no way of proving whether the current planes nneded replacement or not. I just thought that this was funny that both of the Congressmen from those districts have pushed it. Hey my 'wonderful' Senator Dodd who usually could care less abot our military was upset over the F-22 cancelling by the DOD. Guess what the engines for the F-22 are made by Pratt & Whitney, yes right in our state, Connecticut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    As you seem to be knowledgeable in this area, a few questions:

    Why would the C-37A's be completely retired? Could they not be sold, recouping part of the monies spent on them previously?

    Are the replacement planes better in most ways? Or are the replacements not an actual improvement on the ones replaced?

    And a thought.

    Is congress, perhaps, replacing their older business jets with less fuel-hungry ones in an attempt to deflect possible ridicule from those who support/oppose the theories on a carbon level:global warming relationship?
    Do we know if these two new jobies are replacemenets or additions?
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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Do we know if these two new jobbies are replacements or additions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollCall.com
    The Air Force had asked for one Gulfstream 550 jet (price tag: about $65 million) as part of an ongoing upgrade of its passenger air service.

    But the House Appropriations Committee, at its own initiative, added to the 2010 Defense appropriations bill another $132 million for two more airplanes and specified that they be assigned to the D.C.-area units that carry Members of Congress, military brass and top government officials.
    So, it seems they may be replacements... Although the article is not clear

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    Loren Thompson, defense analyst at the conservative Lexington Institute, said, “In the case of the VIP transport for the executive branch, you can easily explain the cost [of private travel] in terms of the risk of somebody being taken hostage or having their time wasted when a critical decision is pending.”

    Thompson pointed out that the cost of the plane would be peanuts compared to the cost to the nation if a top official were taken hostage or harmed taking a commercial flight to a dangerous region of the world.
    Perhaps valid point. But is the performance of these new C-37B's enough of an improvement over the older C-37A's to be justified?
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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    IMO, it is perfectly reasonable for private jets to be available for use by congress. They, after all, are tasked with overseeing the country as a whole and their respective states specifically. Rapid, immediate travel is a necessary part of that, I would think.

    Now, using such taxpayer-funded transportation for personal use, such as going to a vacation resort, etc., is unacceptable.

    I also see no real issue with business executives doing the same thing, within reason.

    Example: A multi-national company uses private jets to transport it's key personnel to necessary locations.

    Again, trips which are not business related should cause issue with their stockholders/whatever entity cares about unneeded costs.
    I think members of Congress should arrange their own transportation; whether it be plane, train, bus, or automobile. They're in purdy much a recession proof job.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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