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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    As you seem to be knowledgeable in this area, a few questions:

    Why would the C-37A's be completely retired? Could they not be sold, recouping part of the monies spent on them previously?

    Are the replacement planes better in most ways? Or are the replacements not an actual improvement on the ones replaced?

    And a thought.

    Is congress, perhaps, replacing their older business jets with less fuel-hungry ones in an attempt to deflect possible ridicule from those who support/oppose the theories on a carbon level:global warming relationship?
    Thanks for asking a very the question Lets see if I can answer some of them for you.

    As for the Four that will be retired I'm sure that Gulfstream put in a request for the Aircraft to be part of the bill for the new jets. They will bring them back to the factory and depending on how many Flight Hours are on the Airframe either rebuild them and send them back tot eh USAF or keep them outright for test airframes. I do know that two of the very first 37A-I have allot of Time on the Airframe and are getting close to critical time on the Wing and Main Airframe.

    The new aircraft will be the C-37B which is the Military version of the Gulfstream G550 which has better engine and range then the 37As. Plus all of the 37B have New Updated Glass Cockpits and weather radar.

    As for are they improvement yes the have a better fuel range burn less Fuel then the 37A and are little bit larger and have update cockpit systems.

    As for your last question I think in these times of Hyprerpartisin Politics it is nice to know that sometime Congress does something that is the right thing to do. Will it deflect debate no but in the end it is the correct thing to do replace an older less efficent aircraft that has served the Country well with new and updated airframes that will serve the Country for a good 10 Year or more.

    One item folks seem to forget is that these aircraft from the 87th Special transport Wing put in allot of Hours every year which adds up quickly on an airframe time in service.

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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Do we know if these two new jobies are replacemenets or additions?
    They are replacement for aircraft that are going ot be retired do to Time Life on the Wings of one and Total Time on another as for the other two not sure I woul dhave to talk to one of my friends with the 87th ATW.

    I know that one of the airframes basically has been being used as a Hanger Queen since it is over total airframe time and will need a special one way flight to where ever they decide to send it either Gulfstream or AMARC. My gut tells me that Gulfstream will come and pick it up and use it as an engine test bed bird.

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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think members of Congress should arrange their own transportation; whether it be plane, train, bus, or automobile. They're in purdy much a recession proof job.
    Except one item most of the time the C-37 Fleet is used by Active Duty folks. three of the aircraft are assigned tot the Joint Chiefs alone. Six are set aside for Presidental Duties this includes being Airforce 1 and 2 plus Sect. of State also use these aircraft.

    Most of the time when the C-37 are used by members of Congress it's usually made up of 6-10 members of Congress that are using the aircraft.

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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
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    So, it seems they may be replacements... Although the article is not clear

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    Perhaps valid point. But is the performance of these new C-37B's enough of an improvement over the older C-37A's to be justified?
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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Except one item most of the time the C-37 Fleet is used by Active Duty folks. three of the aircraft are assigned tot the Joint Chiefs alone. Six are set aside for Presidental Duties this includes being Airforce 1 and 2 plus Sect. of State also use these aircraft.

    Most of the time when the C-37 are used by members of Congress it's usually made up of 6-10 members of Congress that are using the aircraft.
    oh come on Hillary can use her broom and save fuel and wear and tear on our aircraft.

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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

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    oh come on Hillary can use her broom and save fuel and wear and tear on our aircraft.

    ....And all while flying into a combat zone under fire. What a gal.

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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Except one item most of the time the C-37 Fleet is used by Active Duty folks. three of the aircraft are assigned tot the Joint Chiefs alone. Six are set aside for Presidental Duties this includes being Airforce 1 and 2 plus Sect. of State also use these aircraft.

    Most of the time when the C-37 are used by members of Congress it's usually made up of 6-10 members of Congress that are using the aircraft.
    The JCS can go to Andrews and hop on a C-130, just like the rest of their soldiers. That or they can get a plane ticket through the government with 25 connections between BWX and Atlanta. The troops have to do it, so if it's good enough for them it's good enough for the JCS.
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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    All I can say about this is...

    Democratic Hope & Change baby! You asked for it, you got it.

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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The JCS can go to Andrews and hop on a C-130, just like the rest of their soldiers. That or they can get a plane ticket through the government with 25 connections between BWX and Atlanta. The troops have to do it, so if it's good enough for them it's good enough for the JCS.
    Wow you really don't understand what the JCS use these aircraft for huh. A C-130 so you would rather take a front Line Transport out of Duty and turn it into a VIP Bird huh. Hmm I recall a few years ago a certain USAF General got sacked for taking a C-141 and turning it into his personal VIP Bird. That was about the time it was decide to bring back the USAF VIP Wing which now is part of the 87th ATW.

    Oh and the last tie I was at BWI Air Mobil Command had four World Airways MD-11-300 being used for oversea's transport of our Soldiers. As a matter of fact very few Soldiers go over in C-130sC-17s or C-5s anymore they use Contract Airlines like World Airways, American Airways,Trans Airways to name a few. The Transport Aircrfata re used for wll Transporting Gear and supplys.

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    Re: House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The JCS can go to Andrews and hop on a C-130, just like the rest of their soldiers. That or they can get a plane ticket through the government with 25 connections between BWX and Atlanta. The troops have to do it, so if it's good enough for them it's good enough for the JCS.
    Hey I got around on Herkys most of my time in the AirForce but the c-130 is a much higher capacity than the c37 so would not match the mission in most cases. Plus let's face it the Herky is not as comfortable either. Yet we could package up several Congressgeaks into a pallette and drop tem via paracute. We had loadmasters in the AirForce who could do that. I could just see feinstein, Lieberman, McConnell and Commedy Boy all strapped in a a palette going out the aft drop door!!! Too funny !!!
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