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Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

Sammyo said:
Heck, if somebody is willing to get an abortion, i have no problem with the tax payers paying for it. I'd like to see population numbers come way down, and currently there's tons of tax dollars spent on every citizen. I'd rather see a fetus aborted then it be forced upon the person who never wanted it. Yeah, use tax dollars. It's a worthwhile endeavor.
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Good thing we don't decide policy based upon what you personally like or dislike.

I find abortion immoral and detestable - I will not be made to pay for it. If you like, open up your own wallet but do not presume to take my money in order to fund your pet projects.
 
Ethereal said:
Good thing we don't decide policy based upon what you personally like or dislike.

I find abortion immoral and detestable - I will not be made to pay for it. If you like, open up your own wallet but do not presume to take my money in order to fund your pet projects.
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Actually, you may be made to pay for it. Just saying....
 
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Laila said:
I do not support murdering innocent anyone. Ideally in a perfect world i'd wish there was no war or need for Abortion but that is not the case

My pro-choice position is based on my belief that women have the right to decide whether to carry their pregnancies or not whereas those facing death are fully conscious people which do give them more rights under the law than something that doesn't exist or wouldn't exist without a womb
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Here, here. I'd much rather that people use birth control. I'd prefer that an abortion never happen, but that's not reality because people do stupid things and/or make mistakes.
 
Laila said:
I am pro life because i value human life. More than you.
I am pro choice because women have a right over their own womb and i'd be damned before the state or anyone else have any legal say over it.
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You're pro-abortion, because you value your covenience over innocent human life.

How does it feel knowing thousands of civilians died in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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Apples and oranges.
 
Ethereal said:
I find abortion immoral and detestable - I will not be made to pay for it.
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No one chooses where their tax money goes to sadly

Otherwise my money would never have gone to Iraq or Afghanistan or Nuclear weapons or bombs ... I'd rather fund aid and enviromental measures or animal conservation centres but hey, i don't have a choice
 
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Ethereal said:
Good thing we don't decide policy based upon what you personally like or dislike.
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I don't recall making any claims to this effect. I merely shared my opinion.


Ethereal said:
I find abortion immoral and detestable - I will not be made to pay for it. If you like, open up your own wallet but do not presume to take my money in order to fund your pet projects.
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Oh, quit whining. If you're made to pay for it then you'll do it or you'll go to jail. You can't choose where your tax dollars go, and if you were the type to not pay taxes based on what they were going to be used for you'd likely have stopped paying taxes by now. You'll open up your wallet and pay just like everyone else if you're told to do so.
 
Sammyo said:
Here, here. I'd much rather that people use birth control. I'd prefer that an abortion never happen, but that's not reality because people do stupid things and/or make mistakes.
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Exactly.
I do not believe there is any pro choice person who supports killing anything.

My position is purely from the womens right over her womb and choice over pregnancy not 'haha, there is another foetus dead'
 
Laila said:
At least you are consistent.

I dislike it when people are somehow Pro DP, War but against Abortion. Talk about hypocrisy.
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Hypocricy is when you take dfferent positions in like circumstance.
War and capital punishment and abortion are not like circumstances, and so having different positions in each is not hypocricy.
 
Laila said:
Exactly.
I do not believe there is any pro choice person who supports killing anything.

My position is purely from the womens right over her womb and choice over pregnancy not 'haha, there is another foetus dead'
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So you support killing, just not death? :confused:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I think life is better than death... But hey, I am the Good Reverend, so maybe I am jaded to the greatness that surround me and my good life. ;)

I view human life as above that of a stray. Savagry is a choice. For both mother and then the born child....

If we are to say that its better to pay for thier abortions, and it will save money, why not "fix" these women, like we do strays. :mrgreen:
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I'm perfectly okay with fixing these women like strays. See Sin Bin comments.

Actually, norplants by sniper rifle would be better.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I'm perfectly okay with fixing these women like strays. See Sin Bin comments.

Actually, norplants by sniper rifle would be better.
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ROAR!!!!!! :2rofll::2rofll:
 
Goobieman said:
You're pro-abortion, because you value your covenience over innocent human life.
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I am pro choice because i believe women should have the right to decide whether to carry their pregnancies full term or not and we have no say in it.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So you support killing, just not death? :confused:
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I support neither death nor killing. I'd prefer it never happened in this world

I support a womens right over her womb, what she does with her body is no business of mine
 
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Sammyo said:
I don't recall making any claims to this effect. I merely shared my opinion.
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Then what do you suppose this means?

"Heck, if somebody is willing to get an abortion, i have no problem with the tax payers paying for it."

Oh, quit whining.
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Can I use this same line on you when people are trying to mandate prayer in public schools?

If you're made to pay for it then you'll do it or you'll go to jail. You can't choose where your tax dollars go, and if you were the type to not pay taxes based on what they were going to be used for you'd likely have stopped paying taxes by now. You'll open up your wallet and pay just like everyone else if you're told to do so.
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Mmmmmm, nuance escapes this one. Are you the kind of guy who says “That’s impossible!” when someone says they’re hungry enough to eat a horse?

Of course I'll pay taxes whether I like it or not - government thugs can be quite persuasive - I was simply making a declaration in protest to your stance.

I will not be made to pay for this! Tis an outrage! How dare ye!

Understand?
 
Goobieman said:
This is lie, given that you are pro-abortion.
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Perhaps she doesn't see abortion as killing, just like you probably don't view sperm as "life". I think anti-abortionists should never waste a single sperm or egg, and as the conservative jews, attempt pregnancy with every ovulation cycle of their woman. :rofl
 
stekim said:
I find all sorts of government spending abhorrent. This would not even make my Top 50.
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I find lots of government spending (probably most of it) repugnant as well, but this would shoot straight to the top of my list.

You want to kill your unborn child, fine. Use your own ****ing money for it. Don't come take money from me at gunpoint because you're too damned irresponsible to keep from getting pregnant.*

* Standard disclaimer for allowing for abortions to save the life and/or health of the mother, etc.
 
Sammyo said:
Perhaps she doesn't see abortion as killing, just like you probably don't view sperm as "life". I think anti-abortionists should never waste a single sperm or egg, and as the conservative jews, attempt pregnancy with every ovulation cycle of their woman. :rofl
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All pro lifers should be catholic technically.

No blowjobs, that wastes sperm which could be a potential life
No handjobs, also wastes it as well ...
And i'd expect a baby every 9 months from their wives as they'd be no birth control either

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Laila said:
All pro lifers should be catholic technically.

No blowjobs, that wastes sperm which could be a potential life
No handjobs, also wastes it as well ...
And i'd expect a baby every 9 months
No birth control either
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Sperm is alive, therefore it is life. What it lacks is a diploidic human genome.
 
Ethereal said:
Then what do you suppose this means?
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Umm... It means that's what i think. That's what an opinion is, doncha' know.


Ethereal said:
Can I use this same line on you when people are trying to mandate prayer in public schools?
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Absolutely. What do i care? It's just your opinion. When the laws are changed we'll deal with it then. Besides, i have no problem with prayer in schools. People talk to themselves all the time. No biggie. I'll just instruct my kids to go over their math homework in their heads.


Ethereal said:
Mmmmmm, nuance escapes this one. Are you the kind of guy who says “That’s impossible!” when someone says they’re hungry enough to eat a horse?
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Ummm.. No. I'm just the guy who shares my opinion without regards to your approval.


Ethereal said:
Of course I'll pay taxes whether I like it or not - government thugs can be quite persuasive - I was simply making a declaration in protest to your stance.

I will not be made to pay for this! Tis an outrage! How dare ye!

Understand?
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Oh, hyperbole. It didn't sound that way to me. My b.
 
Laila said:
All pro lifers should be catholic technically.

No blowjobs, that wastes sperm which could be a potential life
No handjobs, also wastes it as well ...
And i'd expect a baby every 9 months from their wives as they'd be no birth control either

:mrgreen:
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Well, we've got technology now, so no sex, i say. It wastes millions of sperms. No, i think anti-abortionists should jack off into a cup 3 times a week, and EVERY SINGLE SPERM should be implanted into a human egg somewhere somehow. Praise Jesus that now, with our technology, we can treat all life as sacred!! Hallelujah!
 
Sammyo said:
Well, we've got technology now, so no sex, i say. It wastes millions of sperms. No, i think anti-abortionists should jack off into a cup 3 times a week, and EVERY SINGLE SPERM should be implanted into a human egg somewhere somehow. Praise Jesus that now, with our technology, we can treat all life as sacred!! Hallelujah!
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:rofl

Oh oh and women are just mass murderers. How dare they kill eggs every month when it should be saved and fertilised by said sperm :lol:

Infact lets just ban sex all together and any form of sexual contact lest we kill life
 
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