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Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

Laila said:
The reality that Abortion is here to stay whether you like it or not.

A pro lifer would save alot more lives if they supported those already born children.

Oh how selfish i am, i wish to help those who already on this earth and suffering than giving two tosses about those who are not.
I have my priorities right, maybe you should do the same :2wave:
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Many of us already do. What are you talking about, didn't we have this discussion?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol:

I give no quater to the savegry.... If you dun kilt all yer kin, i dun min if u fri..... :mrgreen:
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Oh American humour is so weird. I just don't get it sometimes :lol:

I give quarter to life.
I would never support the re introduction of death penalty to UK.
Do you know one of the few last women who were hung in UK happened because she killed her husband after years of abuse, she was suffering from battered woman syndrome and she had suffered a miscarriage 10 days previously after he beat her.

Just a random interesting fact for you
 
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Reverend said:
This is a hard and difficult question, that I am still working on justifying in my mind. To me if the womans mental well being is in jeopardy due to the rape, it is an unfortunate situation.

The rapist should pay more if he impregnates his victim
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So it is acceptable to murder children if the "womans mental well being is in jeopardy"?

That doesn't really answer my question.

at 8 weeks, science still considers this an "embryo", and I will reluctantly defer to the known science that this is still a stage where things like miscarriages and what not most often occur. I would like for it to be like 2 weeks, and as soon as one finds out. if it has to occur at all.
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That still doesn't answer my question. What I am asking you is how you make the distinction at a certain period in the pregnancy when it suddenly becomes an 'innocent child.'
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Many of us already do. What are you talking about, didn't we have this discussion?
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That was in response to Goobie somehow implying i do not care for human life out of convenience
I care alot for human life, those born that is ...
 
Khayembii Communique said:
So it is acceptable to murder children if the "womans mental well being is in jeopardy"?

That doesn't really answer my question.
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Is it acceptable? No not really. But its something I am willing to compromise on, until we as a society put the value of life where it belongs....



That still doesn't answer my question. What I am asking you is how you make the distinction at a certain period in the pregnancy when it suddenly becomes an 'innocent child.'
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How about when brainwave activity can first be seen. What is that 6 weeks?

I change my position from 8 weeks to 6 weeks.... Based on scientific information.



What science do you have to support 24 week and later abortions as not killing a human?
 
Laila said:
The reality that Abortion is here to stay whether you like it or not.
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That's not at all necessarily true, and, even if it is, it doesn't in any way invalidate the arguments agianst it.

Abortion on-demand is nothing more than the decision to terminate an innocent human life out of selfishness, If there's a greater example of selfishness, I'm not aware of it.
 
Goobieman said:
That's not at all necessarily true, and, even if it is, it doesn't in any way invalidate the arguments agianst it.
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Even if it were illegal women would still get abortions.
 
Goobieman said:
Abortion on-demand is nothing more than the decision to terminate an innocent human life out of selfishness, If there's a greater example of selfishness, I'm not aware of it.
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Abortion as soon as a women asks for it is fair for me.
I'd much rather she aborts it at 8 weeks rather than be forced to wait until 20

But generally speaking, very few women have multiple number of Abortions and just because they can
 
winston53660 said:
Even if it were illegal women would still get abortions.
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That's probably true -- after all, murder is illegal, and people still do it.
But then, that people will break a law isn't an argument against that law, for if it were, there's be no laws.
 
winston53660 said:
Even if it were illegal women would still get abortions.
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Idd.
Making it criminal did not make a blind bit of difference

Infact it rose in UK and in some cases, even up until the 1950's coathangers were used to avoid going through with a pregnancy
 
Reverend said:
Is it acceptable? No not really. But its something I am willing to compromise on, until we as a society put the value of life where it belongs....
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But I'm not asking for your position on transitional demands; I'm asking you where you actually stand. Do you think abortions for rape victims should be legal or not? Do you think abortions for women should be legal if their mental stability is at stake or not?

How about when brainwave activity can first be seen. What is that 6 weeks?

I change my position from 8 weeks to 6 weeks.... Based on scientific information.
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Why should brain wave activity constitute the designation as to when a fetus is a "human being (innocent child)"?
 
Laila said:
Abortion as soon as a women asks for it is fair for me.
I'd much rather she aborts it at 8 weeks rather than be forced to wait until 20

But generally speaking, very few women have multiple number of Abortions and just because they can
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None of which addresses the part of my post that you quoted.
 
Goobieman said:
None of which addresses the part of my post that you quoted.
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I don't think it is selfish.
Your opinion, how was i supposed to reply to it? Its not like i can say your wrong. I just disagree
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Many of us already do. What are you talking about, didn't we have this discussion?
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:rofl Let me get this straight now. You do not want abortion because you thing this is murder, this is the unneccessary death of an innocent. Yet you fight against healthcare. Never mind that 75 million uninsured and UNDER insured live in this country. Never mind that each day 14,000 people lose their health insurance. Never mind that USA Today reported in 2002 that 18,000 die each year as a result of no coverage.

I tell you what, just so you are not a hypocrite. I will support removal of healthcare reform removing this provision when you start truly respecting human life and support coverage for those 75 million that have no effective coverage.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
But I'm not asking for your position on transitional demands; I'm asking you where you actually stand. Do you think abortions for rape victims should be legal or not? Do you think abortions for women should be legal if their mental stability is at stake or not?



Why should brain wave activity constitute the designation as to when a fetus is a "human being (innocent child)"?
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a conversation is a two way street. not an interrogation. please respond.


The Good Reverend said:
What science do you have to support 24 week and later abortions as not killing a human?
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Goobieman said:
That's probably true -- after all, murder is illegal, and people still do it.
But then, that people will break a law isn't an argument against that law, for if it were, there's be no laws.
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*shrug* Abortion is not murder any more than a miscarriage is manslaughter.
 
Laila said:
That was in response to Goobie somehow implying i do not care for human life out of convenience
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Oh, it wasnt an implication -- it was a direct statement.

I'll be more clear, to avoid confusion:
You, like all others on the pro-abortion side, especially the ones who support abortion-on-demand, only care about and place value upon innocent human lives when you find it convenient to do so.
 
Reverend said:
a conversation is a two way street. not an interrogation. please respond.
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I don't participate in the personhood discussion because I think it is a distraction to the real issue of abortion, which is the right of the women to their own bodily autonomy.
 
Goobieman said:
I'll be more clear, to avoid confusion:
You, like all others on the pro-abortion side, especially the ones who support abortion-on-demand, only care about and place value upon innocent human lives when you find it convenient to do so.
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LOL

I am probably more pro life than you.

I value aid being given to third world countries to alleviate starvation to stop deaths, i support our military entering countries to stop genocides even tho the country has no value or benefits to stop deaths. I do not support death penalty because it IS a human life being taken whether you accept it or not and i am a strong supporter of welfare to help those who are unable to help themselves and state care for children and i support high taxes to ensure children and families have healthcare if need be.

Not even probably. I AM more Pro life than you.

Run back to your non existent high horse
 
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winston53660 said:
Then why even bother to bring murder?
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It was an example of people doing things that are illegal, even though they are illegal. I could have used "rob" or "rape" or "extort", all to the same effect.
 
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