The letter and spirit of the laws suit me just fine. I'm in agreement with them, mostly, and the ones that i don't agree with i go along with in order to maintain my good standing in the citizenry. If the law changes to make my taxes pay for abortions, i'll consider it a good law, and you can do as you wish. As to showing something to be illogical, you notice that you could only do that based on a certain set of standards. When a person holds to a different set of standards, what is "logical" may be quite different, as you seem to agree. Some things that you don't consider "logical" may be perfectly logical to somebody with a different set of standards, so you research that set first. I don't claim that your stance is illogical, because it likely is, to you, from your viewpoint. I've no problem with that, just like you should have no problem recognizing that from my viewpoint, with my standards, it's logical. Your argument isn't with what is or isn't logical, as if that's some sort of set-in-stone fact, but with my standards and viewpoint. This is the entire point that i was trying to get to, and we've finally arrived.