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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    this is the type of simple minded thinking, this country could use less of. Just because something is legal, does not make it right.
    I never said it did. I said that what was legal made a distinction in the terminology used by the legal process. By the current laws, abortion isn't murder. You can say that it is, but your opinion doesn't make law.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Slavery for one. by your logic you would have been pro slavery back in the 1800....
    And by your logic, you could currently call slavery "right" and be in favor of it because you don't support the law of the land. It's no big deal, and i certainly don't always support the law of the land, but the law is what it is, regardless of what terms you want to supplant for your own choices in rhetoric.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    I never said it did. I said that what was legal made a distinction in the terminology used by the legal process. By the current laws, abortion isn't murder. You can say that it is, but your opinion doesn't make law.

    Abortion is wrong and should be considered murder.


    Is this semantics game better?



    And by your logic, you could currently call slavery "right" and be in favor of it because you don't support the law of the land. It's no big deal, and i certainly don't support the law of the land, but the law is what it is, regardless of what terms you want to supplant for your own choices in rhetoric.


    I am not the one claiming law makes something right. that uhm is you.
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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    My money isn't an emotional argument, my money is my property and I have say in what I give it to.
    I never said that, and i never would. Your money isn't an argument, period. What happens with your money might be the premise of an argument, but only that.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Abortion is wrong and should be considered murder.
    Okay, then do your best to get the law to reflect this.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Is this semantics game better?
    Why are you playing semantic games at all? When a term carries within itself its own pronouncement of "wrongness" then you should be careful with it. According to the law, abortion isn't "murder", just like sex with a consenting partner isn't "rape".


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I am not the one claiming law makes something right. that uhm is you.
    FAIL I never claimed that the law makes anything right. I'll expect an apology. I claimed that the law defines the terms as they are currently judged in the legal system. Please read more carefully next time.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    Okay, then do your best to get the law to reflect this.

    Ok, this is not debating, this is professing idiocy.



    Why are you playing semantic games at all? When a term carries within itself its own pronouncement of "wrongness" then you should be careful with it. According to the law, abortion isn't "murder", just like sex with a consenting partner isn't "rape".

    See above.



    FAIL I never claimed that the law makes anything right. I'll expect an apology. I claimed that the law defines the terms as they are currently judged in the legal system. Please read more carefully next time.


    Right, and uhm you can take your request for an apology and go pound you some sand, son.


    Taking of a life without justification is wrong. the fact you want to play a tap dance game around an intellectual genuine discussion is all on you. I am losing interest in this white belt game you play....
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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Ok, this is not debating, this is professing idiocy.
    Actually, i was simply notifying you of what a responsible citizen would do-- get the laws to reflect their views. That's as american as apple pie, and i'll thank you to not call the tenets of our country "professing idiocy".


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    See above.
    Fact, dear reverend, facts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Right, and uhm you can take your request for an apology and go pound you some sand, son.
    Ah, so you're perfectly fine with lying about what another member has said. Good to know, and no, if you feel this way, then i certainly don't expect an apology from you. Why would a proud liar apologize?


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Taking of a life without justification is wrong. the fact you want to play a tap dance game around an intellectual genuine discussion is all on you. I am losing interest in this white belt game you play....
    Abortion is justified. This is a valid opinion shared by the supreme court of the land. That your opinion differs is just fine and dandy, but is only an opinion, just like mine. When your opinion is shared by the supreme court, then you'll be able to turn this argument right back around on me, but as of now, the courts agree with me. Abortion is justified, and not murder. If you'd like to show how it is, with discussion or debate, then do so, and quit blaming your failures on me, and my mere recitation of the relevant facts in play. Your tactic of "Nu-uh, i'm right and abortion is murder and who cares if the courts agree with you" doesn't cut it as a logical argument. It barely qualifies as a coherent statement, but i don't really know how much to expect from someone who is proud of lying about what another person has said.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    You can't have UHC until the chatter dies down.
    Personally, I think the solution to a great, great many of America's problems (not the least of which is health care) intersect with drug decriminalization. The negative consequences of prohibition in America so far outweigh the positive that it is almost axiomatic that we should scrap the War On Drugs, the most colossal and monumental failure of a government program to ever exist.

    Health
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    All these things are profoundly affected by drug prohibition in a negative way. Drug laws have virtually no discernable benefits yet politicians cling to them with fervent tenacity. And why not? Because, as Judge Jim Gray says, "...it is imminently fundable."

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    Now THAT'S a sharp conservative. Wouldn't mind seeing Judge Jim Gray on the Supreme Court sometime in the not-too-distant future.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    Actually, i was simply notifying you of what a responsible citizen would do-- get the laws to reflect their views. That's as american as apple pie, and i'll thank you to not call the tenets of our country "professing idiocy".




    Fact, dear reverend, facts.




    Ah, so you're perfectly fine with lying about what another member has said. Good to know, and no, if you feel this way, then i certainly don't expect an apology from you. Why would a proud liar apologize?


    You would have to be someone I respected in order for the Greatness that is the Good Reverend to care about whatever it is you are throwing a tantrum over now....








    Abortion is justified. This is a valid opinion shared by the supreme court of the land. That your opinion differs is just fine and dandy, but is only an opinion, just like mine. When your opinion is shared by the supreme court, then you'll be able to turn this argument right back around on me, but as of now, the courts agree with me. Abortion is justified, and not murder. If you'd like to show how it is, with discussion or debate, then do so, and quit blaming your failures on me, and my mere recitation of the relevant facts in play. Your tactic of "Nu-uh, i'm right and abortion is murder and who cares if the courts agree with you" doesn't cut it as a logical argument. It barely qualifies as a coherent statement, but i don't really know how much to expect from someone who is proud of lying about what another person has said.


    This is the white belt verbal jiu-jitsu I am talking aboutm you go from claiming you never claimed that "law makes it right", to claiming that abortion is justified because its law....


    You fail, as you have been intellectually oma-plata's and don't know the escape, white belt!
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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You would have to be someone I respected in order for the Greatness that is the Good Reverend to care about whatever it is you are throwing a tantrum over now....
    LOL!! Anything to keep from offering a valid rebuttal!


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is the white belt verbal jiu-jitsu I am talking aboutm you go from claiming you never claimed that "law makes it right", to claiming that abortion is justified because its law....
    Well, you were the one claiming that something being legal didn't make it right. I'm in agreement with you, but if you're going to make a distinction when it suits you, then go ahead and make that same distinction when it comes to your accusations. I didn't say that the law makes abortion right, i said that the law makes abortion justified. You're the one so keen on making the distinction, and that's all well and good, but you can't make the distinction when you're trying to put me to the screws, and then deny the distinction a post later when claiming that i said something i never said. Start pulling those sorts of stunts and you'll earn the title of "hypocrite" fairly quickly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You fail, as you have been intellectually oma-plata's and don't know the escape, white belt!
    Yeah, sure. You're the one claiming that there's a difference when it suits you, but denying that same distinction when it comes to the lies you've told. Laughable, "good" reverend, laughable.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    yeah, no lies, you just bloviating incoherently has you confused. We are done here.
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