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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I still assert that if you don't like abortion, then don't get one...
    Ooh, I like this one. How about these:
    • If you don't like machine guns, don't own one.
    • If you don't like domestic violence, don't beat your wife.
    • If you don't like drugs, don't do them.
    • If you don't like child abuse, don't abuse your child.
    • If you don't like murder, don't kill people.
    See how stupid that vapid little quip is yet?

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Forcing you and I to pay for abortions through our tax dollars is only a part of the Obamanations that are contained in the "Obama I Don't Care about Your Health Plan."
    The plan not only will cause your Granny to die but will eventually lead to a plan that will mimic the Oregon Health plan that will offer to pay for assisted suicides because it costs only a few dollars compared to real health care.
    I urge each and everyone of you including the Liberals to read the stinking bill because just because you voted for this dangerous leftest Obama it will not exempt your Mom and Dad from this Obama death plan for older Americans.
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    Get informed get involved and stop this before it costs American lives.
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    The latest daily Rassmusin poll says; Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.
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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Ooh, I like this one. How about these:
    • If you don't like machine guns, don't own one.
    • If you don't like domestic violence, don't beat your wife.
    • If you don't like drugs, don't do them.
    • If you don't like child abuse, don't abuse your child.
    • If you don't like murder, don't kill people.
    See how stupid that vapid little quip is yet?
    Those all sound perfectly reasonable to me.

    All of those things have to do with fully formed, autonomous human beings. A one month old embryo is not a person.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    This is my problem... control. One group trying to control what another person does, based on their staunch beliefs. You are entitled to think it's murder, and so am I, but that is irrelevant to the broad sphere of other people's beliefs. Just because you might believe it is murder, doesn't mean it actually is. Even science cannot determine what this means, and they are the ones looking at the hard neurological factors of first semester abortion.

    I think it's arrogant and superior to belief what you think should override the views of all others. This is my view on abortion as a rule.

    As for the UHC part of it... I cannot deny that, from an American perspective, it would be forcing all people to pay with abortion for their taxes. As a Canadian, I think it is perfectly ethical... but if I were an American who was against abortion, I'd be pissed.

    That's astoundingly well-stated, Orius! It also follows perfectly, from that stance, that abortion should be a choice, and not mandated. It's not fair to force someone to get an abortion, and it's not fair to keep them from getting an abortion. Either way takes away choice.

    As to your ending statement, of course. That's to be expected, but that fact has no bearing at all on the logical arguments for or against the issue. My "being pissed" about some current legislation has no bearing on it whatsoever. An anti-abortionists "being pissed" at this sort of law is not a reason for or against it. It should come down to the surrounding issues and the logical reasons for or against the issue, not people's emotions. People can vote their emotions if it comes to a vote, but a person's emotions are not, in and of themselves, an argument either way.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Forcing you and I to pay for abortions through our tax dollars is only a part of the Obamanations that are contained in the "Obama I Don't Care about Your Health Plan."
    The plan not only will cause your Granny to die but will eventually lead to a plan that will mimic the Oregon Health plan that will offer to pay for assisted suicides because it costs only a few dollars compared to real health care.
    I urge each and everyone of you including the Liberals to read the stinking bill because just because you voted for this dangerous leftest Obama it will not exempt your Mom and Dad from this Obama death plan for older Americans.
    http://www.jeffhead.com/HC-HouseII.pdf
    Get informed get involved and stop this before it costs American lives.
    It's not about Left or Right it's about Right and Wrong.

    "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else". Sir Winston Churchill

    Yeah, but i'm with Winston Churchill on this one. We've a lot of things to try before we go that route, Councilman.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Those all sound perfectly reasonable to me.

    All of those things have to do with fully formed, autonomous human beings. A one month old embryo is not a person.
    Well, we could let the fetus decide. Just take it out of its mother, who wants an abortion, and let it decide to live or die. Its choice.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    As to your ending statement, of course. That's to be expected, but that fact has no bearing at all on the logical arguments for or against the issue. My "being pissed" about some current legislation has no bearing on it whatsoever. An anti-abortionists "being pissed" at this sort of law is not a reason for or against it. It should come down to the surrounding issues and the logical reasons for or against the issue, not people's emotions. People can vote their emotions if it comes to a vote, but a person's emotions are not, in and of themselves, an argument either way.
    I understand your reasoning, but it's still a bit of a dilemma to make anti-choice people pay for abortions. Then again, their tax dollars already pay for the execution of inmates in the states that have capital punishment, so I'm not clear on what the big deal is.

    In any case, if they are against UHC covering abortion, then they might as well be against UHC as a whole, because that's what the entire thing is: paying for something that has nothing to do with you.

    Nonetheless, from a policy perspective, I support the initiative of the Democrats to not only make UHC, but a UHC that doesn't discriminate. It should cover abortion and people will just have to live with that.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I understand your reasoning, but it's still a bit of a dilemma to make anti-choice people pay for abortions. Then again, their tax dollars already pay for the execution of inmates in the states that have capital punishment, so I'm not clear on what the big deal is.
    People pay for stuff they don't ethically approve of all the time, with their tax dollars. Yeah, it sucks that i have to do this, but i can either leave the country or pay my taxes. (Or not pay them and go to jail).

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    pelosi/obama's insistence on altering the public funding of abortion has COST THEM THEIR HEALTH CARE BILL

    it's the bluedog's basic bugaboo

    pelosi/obama just do not get it, they don't understand american politics

    the united states is NOT one giant chicago

    you can't just RAHM thru anything you want because it's in some harvard textbook

    another example is leadership's campaign today to VILLIFY folks who show up at town halls to express their legitimate concerns

    all this, from a community organizer, yet

    it's all so STRONGARM

    that's not LEADERSHIP

    obama does not appreciate the american people, he does not comprehend politics, he is lost when it comes to leadership

    he ATTACKS his critics

    this is not the way to cobble CONSENSUS

    groups associated with dnc chair howard dean have launched attack ads against evan bayh, blanche lincoln, mary landrieu, byron dorgan, kent conrad, bill nelson, ben nelson

    Progressive Groups Team Up To Keep Health Care Ad Pressure On Dems

    just as he's insisting that ABORTION ON DEMAND be paid for by those who have genuine HEARTFELT differences with his life philosophies, so is he also unyieldingly intent on the inclusion of ILLEGALS in whatever expansion of med insurance inches forward

    Newsmax.com - Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals

    obama's health care ambitions are impracticable enough without these insuperable problems

    bothersome abortion has been committee complication for months, ie, under the public's radar screen

    it's just now beginning to blip

    the ILLEGALS issue is gonna EXPLODE

    in mere weeks

    seniors are FREAKING about END OF LIFE issues, obama's agenda to reduce their COSTS

    just wait til they hear that pelosi insists on free provision for pedro and paloma

    inept politics, suicide strategy---THAT's the point

    you may now return to your chin stroking, platonic ruminations concerning the precise and exact constitution of human life

    you're sure to reach rewarding resolution, there, readily

    LOL!

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Being charged by the letter, are you?

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