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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    I don't really care, but when pro-lifers start talking about pro-choicers being pro-abortion, then i feel the need to point out that pro-lifers are mostly anti-choicers (when it comes to women).
    Oh well. Labels and semantics aren't something I typically find worth discussing.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    That's a great point Ikari... plastic surgery is usually covered in instances of accidents, and you usually have to apply for it specially to the government. For example, burn victims with severe burns, or children who have been in car accidents, can sometimes be eligible. I'm not sure of the statistics though.

    In any case... abortion is covered under UHC as part of most nations' birth control regimes. It's also the reason why birth control pills tend to be cheaper in Western nations, since they receive some subsidy from the government.
    But if the requirement for being covered by UHC is "a medical procedure that requires staff and equipment to be paid for", why would you reject cosmetic surgery, elected cosmetic surgery. The likes meant only to make you look like a horrible skeleton with skin stretched tightly across the skull? It is a medical procedure that requires staff and equipment to be paid for.

    I would say I could accept abortion in cases of rape or the mother's life being in danger. Actual medical need, like those being burned or in accidents and such for cosmetic surgery. However, elective abortion is just that, and I shouldn't have to pay for it.
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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But if the requirement for being covered by UHC is "a medical procedure that requires staff and equipment to be paid for", why would you reject cosmetic surgery, elected cosmetic surgery. The likes meant only to make you look like a horrible skeleton with skin stretched tightly across the skull? It is a medical procedure that requires staff and equipment to be paid for.

    I would say I could accept abortion in cases of rape or the mother's life being in danger. Actual medical need, like those being burned or in accidents and such for cosmetic surgery. However, elective abortion is just that, and I shouldn't have to pay for it.
    Necessity rules.

    If i wanted bigger boobs just because, no way would i get it. I'd be at the back of the list and those infront of me would be burnt victims etc.

    If they had no one that needed such surgery, they'd consider it.


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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Necessity rules.

    If i wanted bigger boobs just because, no way would i get it. I'd be at the back of the list and those infront of me would be burnt victims etc.

    If they had no one that needed such surgery, they'd consider it.
    K. But I'd say no way no how. If you want fake boobies, I say pay for them yourself.
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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    K. But I'd say no way no how. If you want fake boobies, I say pay for them yourself.
    I wouldn't get it anyway.

    Not unless there is no one else in the country or area who needs it


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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    A better term for pro-life is anti-choice. I tend to use that one much more.

    And pro-choice is not pro-abortion. I'm pro-choice but I don't like abortion. I consider it a last resort and a messy one.
    I don't play the label game.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

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    Illegals will get free healthcare.
    One of the worst parts of the whole thing.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But if the requirement for being covered by UHC is "a medical procedure that requires staff and equipment to be paid for", why would you reject cosmetic surgery, elected cosmetic surgery. The likes meant only to make you look like a horrible skeleton with skin stretched tightly across the skull? It is a medical procedure that requires staff and equipment to be paid for.

    I would say I could accept abortion in cases of rape or the mother's life being in danger. Actual medical need, like those being burned or in accidents and such for cosmetic surgery. However, elective abortion is just that, and I shouldn't have to pay for it.
    As Laila said, necessity. Burn victims require therapy for their scars for life, for example. They are painful and debilitating. Cosmetic surgery could not only relieve their suffering but also save in long term therapy costs.

    Pregnancy is also a medical condition. The mother's physiological state changes, and there is no such thing as a pregnancy without risk. You could, theoretically, justify abortion as the removal of an unwanted and risky influence on the body. If the mother had to go through childbirth because UHC would not cover her abortion, and then died, it would be an ethical concern for UHC. I know this isn't most of the cases, I'm just positing.

    Elective cosmetic surgery is just a personal enhancement that is not really needed, but desired.

    Also... abortion, in paper, is not as expensive as most other routine medical procedures that UHC would cover. Most abortions can be done for less than $1000 as an outpatient procedure. Compare that to any number of other procedures in the tens of thousands of dollars.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I wouldn't get it anyway.

    Not unless there is no one else in the country or area who needs it
    While I understand that, I don't think there should be the possibility of tax payers paying for something like that.
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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Also... abortion, in paper, is not as expensive as most other routine medical procedures that UHC would cover. Most abortions can be done for less than $1000 as an outpatient procedure. Compare that to any number of other procedures in the tens of thousands of dollars.
    It's not a money issue. If anything, it's even further commentary on how sick the process is. Fake boobs seem to be worth more than human life in our current world. The end result is that abortion has horrible consequences, the destruction of innocent human life. And because of that I think we should caution ourselves on what we'd allow the public to fund in these cases.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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