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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Your right.
    I abort and then fall asleep happily the same day. How did you know my favourite past time?

    Yeah, i go and watch abortions for fun. I fall asleep to videos of them. It's awesome.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So in other words, we must pay for you to kill your child of inconvience.... I find this unnacceptable. Abortion is legal. I get it, however, expecting me to pay for it is abhorrent.
    Sorry, Rev, ol man, this has already been debunked in another thread with an article from factcheck.org.

    Those facts are pesky stubborn things and that factcheck.org does a great job applying them to the daily partisan spin.

    Check it out ---> DEBUNKED BY FACTS

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    Yeah, i go and watch abortions for fun. I fall asleep to videos of them. It's awesome.
    Really?!
    I knew i wasn't the only one that did that for enjoyment
    Infact i give women piggy backs all the way to the Abortion clinic


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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post


    By the way, where's YOUR source?
    Medscape Today -2008
    For the sixth consecutive year, the number of Americans living without health insurance has risen, according to new U.S. Census Bureau data. Approximately 2.2 million people were added to the uninsurance rolls in 2006 — the largest one-year increase in the number of uninsured Americans since 2002.

    Annual Census Bureau estimates released in August show 47 million people, or 15.8 percent of the U.S. population, were without health insurance during 2006 — a 4.9 percent increase. In 2005, census figures showed that 44.8 million people, or about 15.3 percent of the population, lacked health insurance coverage.
    NCHC
    Nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, the latest government data available
    Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2007
    U.S. Census Bureau. Issued August 2008 - 45 million

    Bloomberg - May 2008 -
    47 million Americans without health-care coverage include 5 million uninsurables
    Now let's consider the following from NCHC:

    • The number of uninsured rose 2.2 million between 2005 and 2006 and has increased by almost 8 million people since 2000.
    • The increase in the number of uninsured in 2006 was focused among working age adults. The percentage of working adults (18 to 64) who had no health coverage climbed from 19.7 percent in 2005 to 20.2 percent in 2006.1 Nearly 1.3 million full-time workers lost their health insurance in 2006
    • Nearly 90 million people – about one-third of the population below the age of 65 spent a portion of either 2006 or 2007 without health coverage between 2000 and 2006
    • The percentage of people (workers and dependents) with employment-based health insurance has dropped from 70 percent in 1987 to 62 percent in 2007. This is the lowest level of employment-based insurance coverage in more than a decade
    • The number of uninsured children in 2007 was 8.1 million – or 10.7 percent of all children in the U.S

    And now...
    • Nearly 40 percent of the uninsured population reside in households that earn $50,000 or more.1 A growing number of middle-income families cannot afford health insurance payments even when coverage is offered by their employers.


    Which leads us to the UNDER insured:

    • A study found that 29 percent of people who had health insurance were “underinsured” with coverage so meager they often postponed medical care because of costs.15 Nearly 50 percent overall, and 43 percent of people with health coverage, said they were “somewhat” to “completely” unprepared to cope with a costly medical emergency over the coming year - Consumer Reports. Are You Really Covered? September 2007
    (NCHC)

    CNN Money - [quote]By one estimate, 25 million Americans can't afford to cover the gap between what their insurance covers and their medical bills demand.[quote]

    US News and World Reports - 2008 25 Million Americans Are 'Underinsured'

    CommonWealth Fund -
    [quote]From 2003 to 2007, the number of adults who were insured all year but were underinsured increased by 60 percent. Based on those who incur high out-of-pocket costs relative to their income not counting premiums despite having coverage all year, an estimated 25 million adults under age 65 were underinsured in 2007.[quote]

    Lastly, let us give a rough estimate now, with 14,000 losing their coverage each day: Obama claims 14,000 lose health insurance every day - Politifact

    Now give or take the usage of provisions subsidizing 65 percent of COBRA (Federal Stimulus at work!) the number as acknowledged needs to be recalculated. But, estimated 3.2 million jobs lost, and you can also figure 3.2 million who lost coverage. How many retained COBRA? How many could afford COBRA?

    FYI, I know you would prefer to use the right wing think tanks uninsured number, since they see it as lower. Ok, I know stuff like morality, humanity, empathy mean little to you, so I will make this argument instead. We still pay each and every time an uninsured or under insured person seeks medical treatment at an ER, which is unquestionably the most expensive. So we pay for it anyways, so may a more affordable health care system is in order to cover those that are currently not covered. I suppose you did notice where it said "not a citizen" in your fact sheet? Doesn't say illegal, just not a "citizen" which can mean a whole hell of a lot.

    The key here is to add the uninsured (50 million) + the under-insured (25 million). I could list a whole other page just dealing with the costs alone in the current system, but the point is under insured are essentially one thing; while they may have coverage, the costs itself is too prohibitive for them to actually be considered under coverage. Remember, my whole point is an indictment against the whole system, so therefore take as a whole both numbers need to be included.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Really?!
    I knew i wasn't the only one that did that for enjoyment
    Infact i give women piggy backs all the way to the Abortion clinic

    Me too, but i provide them crack cocaine on the way.

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    rolleyes Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    Most pro-lifers aren't just pro-life, but they're anti-choice because they want to strip away the choice from the woman.
    Seriously, you folks never tire of this accusation, do you?

    Women generally have a choice about not getting pregnant, and I don't know of any pro-life people who advocate for rape.

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    What choice am i against, again?
    There's bound to be something.

    You ok with all drugs being legal, even prescription freely available and allowing the pharmaceutical companies to make designer drugs and market them as they see fit?

    You ok with removal of the ban on fully automatics, removing concealed weapon permits because you don't need a permit to carry concealed?

    The removal of the marriage license to allow marriage to be defined and practiced by the churches?

    I mean, I'm not going to list all choice, but I don't see it very likely that someone is for all choice.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    Me too, but i provide them crack cocaine on the way.


    *Tuts*
    Drugs and Abortion. You are so damned


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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I don't care what you do in your country.

    I don't have a say either way. I support UHC and that means taking everything that goes with it whether i like it or not
    Well the gun question in general. You support your countrymen's right to open carry fully automatic weapons?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Seriously, you folks never tire of this accusation, do you?

    Women generally have a choice about not getting pregnant, and I don't know of any pro-life people who advocate for rape.
    Well, it's true. Pro-lifers want to take away the woman's choice in abortion. Don't they?

    On the issue of abortion, don't most pro-lifers want the woman not to have a choice of an abortion? Of course they do. Don't act like most pro-lifers are out there just expressing an opinion. They, by in large, want to take away the choice of abortion. Right?

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