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    Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    BRIDGEVILLE, Pa. A gunman burst into an exercise class at a health club in suburban Pittsburgh on Tuesday night and started spraying bullets. A television station reported at least four people were dead, including the shooter, and a hospital reported another death later.
    Area hospitals were treating at least six other victims, including two in fair condition.
    There is an old adage that says "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". I am wondering if the outcome would be different had the patrons at the health club carried guns. I do not mean to politicize this tragedy, but to me, this is one of the reasons that the second amendment should not be watered down. I can tell you that, if the health club had been here in Houston, there is a good chance that the death toll would not have been so high, and that the shooter would have become a statistic much earlier. Here, on any given day, you will find a number of guns inside the locker rooms, and all legal, waiting to deal out death to people who would make some kind of a statement that they are fed up with their own crappy lives by taking the lives of others.


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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    It is a proven fact "some people" either choose to ignore or pie about the truth of it but violent crimes go down when concealed carry laws go into effect. It is also a fact that more crimes are stopped with personal firearms than are committed with them.
    The only thing is when do you keep a gun while wearing work clothing? Minor problem, but not insurmountable.
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    Uh, what? The guy turned off the lights and started spraying. The only way guns would've helped in this situation is if A) you didn't get shot trying to turn on the lights or B) you were willing to shoot into a room with civilians. Either way, you either kill civilians or waste time trying to turn on lights. This guy wasn't an outlaw before he bought the guns so if there were stronger gun laws, maybe he would not have been able to easily obtain guns? In any case, it's speculation but your statement about guns is dead wrong.

    EDIT: Also, you should read his blog. It's really interesting.

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    Sounds like we need to pass a law against...something. Oh, wait, murder is already illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    It is a proven fact "some people" either choose to ignore or pie about the truth of it but violent crimes go down when concealed carry laws go into effect. It is also a fact that more crimes are stopped with personal firearms than are committed with them.
    The only thing is when do you keep a gun while wearing work clothing? Minor problem, but not insurmountable.
    Someone could develop a special workout holster after all we do have jock sraps and sport bras so why not sport holsters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Uh, what? The guy turned off the lights and started spraying. The only way guns would've helped in this situation is if A) you didn't get shot trying to turn on the lights or B) you were willing to shoot into a room with civilians. Either way, you either kill civilians or waste time trying to turn on lights. This guy wasn't an outlaw before he bought the guns so if there were stronger gun laws, maybe he would not have been able to easily obtain guns? In any case, it's speculation but your statement about guns is dead wrong.

    EDIT: Also, you should read his blog. It's really interesting.
    I have to give you the points that in this case where the scmuck turned out the light it would have been extremely dificult to waste the f-fer.

    I heard that he wrote in a blog that we will still go to heaven because "Christ suffered and died to wipe out all sins" so whackjob believes that he is headed for the high rent destrict after he died.

    Do guns and religion mix well ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    ...blather and stuff...

    Do guns and religion mix well?
    It depends on the person who has the guns and how they interpret the religion in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Someone could develop a special workout holster after all we do have jock sraps and sport bras so why not sport holsters.
    Gyms could offer (if some don't already) self-defense classes which include ways of disarming someone holding a gun and protecting oneself from same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It depends on the person who has the guns and how they interpret the religion in question.
    I agree, I was just being a provacateur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Gyms could offer (if some don't already) self-defense classes which include ways of disarming someone holding a gun and protecting oneself from same.
    That may have helped if the one who had that training was close enough to the perp and wasn' wasted by the perp right away.

    Do wwe need armed snipers in all public building waiting and ready to waste perps ? But what if the snipers we hire are actually peprs in waiting ?
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