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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Uh, what? The guy turned off the lights and started spraying. The only way guns would've helped in this situation is if A) you didn't get shot trying to turn on the lights or B) you were willing to shoot into a room with civilians. Either way, you either kill civilians or waste time trying to turn on lights. This guy wasn't an outlaw before he bought the guns so if there were stronger gun laws, maybe he would not have been able to easily obtain guns? In any case, it's speculation but your statement about guns is dead wrong.

    EDIT: Also, you should read his blog. It's really interesting.
    They could have fired at his muzzle flash. Wouldn't have been hard to hit him.
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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    That may have helped if the one who had that training was close enough to the perp and wasn't wasted by the perp right away.

    Do we need armed snipers in all public building waiting and ready to waste perps? But what if the snipers we hire are actually perps in waiting ?
    I was thinking in more general terms. Such a class, if it doesn't already exist in some gyms, could increase their income.

    But no, I don't see the need for snipers...

    As far as I am aware, this was at least a somewhat close-range situation. A person or persons trained with a handgun could easily have taken this nutcase down before he harmed so many persons. Although likely the surprise of his attack would have caused all but a few to panic and not respond in time to prevent much of what happened.

    As to snipers being potential perps... It obviously would depend on the sniper in question. Although I agree that sniping takes a special mindset.
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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They could have fired at his muzzle flash. Wouldn't have been hard to hit him.
    Bit dangerous, if he had someone he was using as a human shield? Or moved after firing? Or something else I didn't think of?

    But I agree, the damage could have been reduced if someone had attempted to subdue him at some point in this incident.
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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Bit dangerous, if he had someone he was using as a human shield? Or moved after firing? Or something else I didn't think of?

    But I agree, the damage could have been reduced if someone had attempted to subdue him at some point in this incident.
    Dangerous? Compared to what?

    I'm just not into laying down dieing. Call me crazy.
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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Dangerous? Compared to what?

    I'm just not into laying down dieing. Call me crazy.
    I wasn't comparing it to anything.

    Of course it might be less dangerous than doing nothing. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be dangerous.
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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I wasn't comparing it to anything.

    Of course it might be less dangerous than doing nothing. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be dangerous.
    A couple rounds fired into the ceiling, showing the shooter that there was someone to shoot back might have been plenty to force him into a route.

    The whole reason he picked the target he did, was because he was 99.999% sure that no one there had a gun. You don't see these nut jobs pull this crap in places where someone might have a gun and can shoot back; church, grade school, health club, college campus...I'm noticing a pattern.
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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A couple rounds fired into the ceiling, showing the shooter that there was someone to shoot back might have been plenty to force him into a route.

    The whole reason he picked the target he did, was because he was 99.999% sure that no one there had a gun. You don't see these nut jobs pull this crap in places where someone might have a gun and can shoot back; church, grade school, health club, college campus...I'm noticing a pattern.
    A good point.

    IMO, more concealed carry permits...or open carry permits, if such exist, would likely reduce such incidents.
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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    A good point.

    IMO, more concealed carry permits...or open carry permits, if such exist, would likely reduce such incidents.
    I agree. I think a more avid use of the death penalty would work, too.
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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Someone could develop a special workout holster after all we do have jock sraps and sport bras so why not sport holsters.
    Interesting idea although it would be a bit heavy to work out with.
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    Re: Up to 5 dead in Pittsburgh-area shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I can tell you that, if the health club had been here in Houston, there is a good chance that the death toll would not have been so high, and that the shooter would have become a statistic much earlier.
    And how many of those guns are available to the people using the nautilus equipment, climbing the stairmasters, and swimming?

    I'm an ardent supporter of the Second Amendment in it's most generous possible interpretation, don't get me wrong, but you have to focus on the key issue here. Thirty million single women ignored this guy. It must be their fault. His problem was lack of a wife. Clearly if the Messiah had re-instituted arranged marriages, this guy would have been satisfied and lives would have been saved.

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