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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Don't worry, we'll take care of the terrorists, so ya'll don't have to get your hands dirty killing your brother Muslims.
    Terrorism (qitaal) as a form of jihad the Dar al Islam employs against the West is not only the least ubiquitous form of jihad, but it is also the least important form as well. I’m more concerned myself about the more widespread stealth forms of jihad that are employed much more often and that operate for the most part below the radar of most people’s level of scrutiny. Should we continue to concentrate only on killing terrorists at the same time that we also continue to delude ourselves that Islam is a Religion of Peace™ and ignore all the other much more prevalent forms of stealth jihad also taking place which are even more detrimental than terrorism?

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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, this is the 21st Century. I mean, c'mon. We're not talking about the 17th Century where reletives 20 miles apart didn't see each other for years at a time.
    Christianity developed in a time where governments were very supportive of religions. Now with the separation of church and state there is much less government emphasis on religion. The advancement of any religion is now being hampered by lack of government support. Not that governments are working against religion, they are just now longer working for them.

    Somethings take time, and when it comes to something like religion, that people are extremely passionate about, and often give their lives for. I would rather they take their time and not rush into anything. Mistakes happen when decisions are made too quickly.

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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When Europe had its theocracies they were mostly Christian, and at that time the Christian religion acted not so differently than the Muslim religion now.
    Uhm…I don’t recall there ever being any theocracies in Europe. Moreover, when was Christianity ever a religion of conquest like Islam? Nevertheless, you are right in this respect, Christianity has undergone a reformation and mankind a period of enlightenment which has allowed for the modernization of our Western civilization, while Islam, on the other hand, has not and is still very much practiced the same way it was when Muhammad was rampaging, pillaging, murdering, and raping his way across the Arabian Peninsular slaughtering kafirs. I mean the institutionalized and systematic degradation and oppression of Christian dhimmis living throughout the Dar al Islam more than proves it.

    But we figured out that theocracy perverts the religion, takes it over, warps it to make it work for State ideals, power, and land. Christianity, in order to protect Christianity, divorced itself from government and we instead created secular governments.
    Actually, Christianity always taught, "to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God’s." Thus, for some reason you are unfairly blaming the perversions of mankind on Christianity, at the same time that you are also attempting to idiotically equate Islam and Christianity. In any event, in the Islamic world under normal circumstances, and today isn’t a normal circumstance, Islam is the state.
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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think I noted that difference. The best thing for the Muslim people to do would be to remove their religion from their government. It's the best way for them to protect their religion.
    Accept Islam is far more a totalitarian political movement than it is a religion or anything else.

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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    And we'll get there ... eventually.

    Every religion has some type of reformation, Islam hasn't had one yet
    In Christianity heretics were excommunicated but they never were put to death. Unfortunately, because in Islam the pain of death is the punishment for blasphemy and apostasy, it is impossible for Islam to ever be reformed and modernized. Not only that but there is no hierarchal Pope or equivalent in Islam.

    Hence, Islam is doomed to always remain antithetical to pluralistic modern societies. Indeed, the best thing the entire non-Islamic world can do is to disengage from the Dar al Islam and isolate it until it collapses in on itself and dies a slow lingering death, which will inevitably happen because Muslim are incapable of producing anything for themselves except for violence, bloodshed, and lots and lots of misery.

    In any event, there are a lot of secular Muslims living in the West who are courageously trying to reform Islam in order to attempt to turn it into a peaceful religion compatible with modernity. However, if these same secular Muslims attempted to do what they are attempting to do inside the Dar al Islam instead, they would inevitably be declared heretics, charged with blasphemy, declared murtadd (apostates), and killed. Thus, except for minor influence only in the West and mostly among wishful thinkers, in the Islamic world these reform movements have exactly no influence and zero impact.

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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, it was all an illustration of point. If you cared to read and take in what was being said instead of reacting because someone said "Christianity".
    I did read the whole thing, please don't assume. It is irrelevant to your point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There was no excuse of current practices by Muslims by the sins of Christianity's past. I was merely saying that Christianity acted similar when it too was caught in a theocratic state and that it solved the problem by removing itself from the government and making a secular government instead.
    And again I agree, but you could have said that without disparaging Christianity to make a point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Which is what Islam needs to do as well. Don't start whinnying and crying every time someone brings up Christianity.
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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You could have said all that and got your point across without Christianity being thrown in.
    I don’t know what it is, but just about anytime you broach the subject of Islam with leftists it’s like a switch has been flipped. They almost grow fangs and go into hyper demonize Christianity mode, and they bring up everything from the Crusades to the Spanish Inquisition at the same time that they also ignore completely the reality of Islam. It’s the dangest thing I have ever observed. It’s like they have all been inculcated, cloned, and turned into zombies or something. It’s very hilarious indeed.

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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    It took Christianity as long, if not longer.

    And alot more blood was shed to achieve it
    Uhm...in its almost 1400 year history, it is estimated that Islam is responsible for killing 270 million people and still counting, 60 million of those Christians and Jews, 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists, and 120 million black animists. How many people were killed in the name of Christianity? Exactly zero, as Islam unlike Christianity or any other religion has a universal mission to make the world sovereign for Allah via the imposition of Sharia.

    "In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force ... The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense ... They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israelites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g., a caliphate]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations] … But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations."

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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movinmetal View Post
    More tomfoolery from the religion of peace. Total eradication of the species known as 'radical islamics' is necessary. Like child molesters, they cannot be cured or rehabilitated.



    Interesting quote here. Got any evidence to back it up? As much as I despise these actions that both of these groups do (Child molesters and Radical Islam) I do not hold a masters degree in Psychology, I am assuming you must? In order to make such a claim, you had better have some good explaining as to why these two groups cannot be changed. Considering we changed an entire nation that was ran theocratically , we changed them into a democracy all it took was two nuclear bombs, and American influence in the nation for years to come, now they are our good ally. (Japan). So please, explain.


    I have nothing to explain. All YOU have to do is demonstrate examples of child molesters or terrorists that have changed.

    Good luck.

    And for the other posts in this thread whining about 'genocide' or some such, reaching with palpable desperation--as always--for a tiny string to hang "racist!" on...

    most folks are able to discern the difference between radical islamics and Muslims, especially because radical islamics will TELL you that they want you dead and want the end of your civilization.

    They are far more honest about their intentions than the liberals who protect, support, encourage, and defend them.

    To the extent than killing sworn enemies is a 'genocide', then let's get to it.



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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwing86 View Post
    most folks are able to discern the difference between radical islamics and Muslims.
    Could you explain more thoroughly please? What exactly makes one Muslim a so-called moderate and another one a so-called radical? How can you distinguish one from the other? Do the so-called moderates study a different version of the Koran and the Sunnah from the Koran and the Sunnah of the so-called radicals? Finally, if so-called moderates are truly moderate, then why are Christian dhimmis living in so-called moderate Islamic countries always without exception treated so harshly and cruelly oppressed?

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