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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Looks like they did a piss poor job of it. Don't worry, we'll take care of the terrorists, so ya'll don't have to get your hands dirty killing your brother Muslims.
    Done a bang up job so far .... *cough*


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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, all the real Muslims need to get it in gear and do something about all those posers making their religion look bad.
    What's needed is secular govenrment. How long was Christianity abused at the hands of government? When Europe had its theocracies they were mostly Christian, and at that time the Christian religion acted not so differently than the Muslim religion now. But we figured out that theocracy perverts the religion, takes it over, warps it to make it work for State ideals, power, and land. Christianity, in order to protect Christianity, divorced itself from government and we instead created secular governments. That allowed the religion to be the religion, to grow and expand and to practice as they see fit. Christianity is not used as it once was, we've allowed it to be free. That's the beauty of secular government, it's for the benefit of religion itself. Theocracy will always lead to perversion of the religion.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Done a bang up job so far .... *cough*
    Well, at least we tried...more than I can say for the rest of ya.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What's needed is secular govenrment. How long was Christianity abused at the hands of government? When Europe had its theocracies they were mostly Christian, and at that time the Christian religion acted not so differently than the Muslim religion now. But we figured out that theocracy perverts the religion, takes it over, warps it to make it work for State ideals, power, and land. Christianity, in order to protect Christianity, divorced itself from government and we instead created secular governments. That allowed the religion to be the religion, to grow and expand and to practice as they see fit. Christianity is not used as it once was, we've allowed it to be free. That's the beauty of secular government, it's for the benefit of religion itself. Theocracy will always lead to perversion of the religion.

    Historically, you're absolutely right when you say that Christians have done the same thing. The difference, though, is that the Christians have grown out of and Islam has failed to grow with the times.
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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The difference, though, is that the Christians have grown out of and Islam has failed to grow with the times.
    I think I noted that difference. The best thing for the Muslim people to do would be to remove their religion from their government. It's the best way for them to protect their religion.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think I noted that difference. The best thing for the Muslim people to do would be to remove their religion from their government. It's the best way for them to protect their religion.
    And we'll get there ... eventually.

    Every religion has some type of reformation, Islam hasn't had one yet


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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    And we'll get there ... eventually.

    Every religion has some type of reformation, Islam hasn't had one yet
    Well I hope y'all get there soon. Cause some of this is pretty ridiculous. Of course, I don't really understand all the irrationalities of religion or why people cling to it in general. But it's time that humans put their religious violence behind us. We'll find other reasons to fight, we don't need the help of religious zealotry.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, all the real Muslims need to get it in gear and do something about all those posers making their religion look bad.
    Laila is certainly doing her share.

    Too bad you aren't listening.
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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What's needed is secular govenrment. How long was Christianity abused at the hands of government? When Europe had its theocracies they were mostly Christian, and at that time the Christian religion acted not so differently than the Muslim religion now. But we figured out that theocracy perverts the religion, takes it over, warps it to make it work for State ideals, power, and land. Christianity, in order to protect Christianity, divorced itself from government and we instead created secular governments. That allowed the religion to be the religion, to grow and expand and to practice as they see fit. Christianity is not used as it once was, we've allowed it to be free. That's the beauty of secular government, it's for the benefit of religion itself. Theocracy will always lead to perversion of the religion.
    And here we go with the "look Christians did this to!!!"

    That argument is so old and nothing but a fallacy with no bearing.

    Now the rest of your argument I agree with. You could have said all that and got your point across without Christianity being thrown in.
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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

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    And here we go with the "look Christians did this to!!!"

    That argument is so old and nothing but a fallacy with no bearing.

    Now the rest of your argument I agree with. You could have said all that and got your point across without Christianity being thrown in.
    No, it was all an illustration of point. If you cared to read and take in what was being said instead of reacting because someone said "Christianity". There was no excuse of current practices by Muslims by the sins of Christianity's past. I was merely saying that Christianity acted similar when it too was caught in a theocratic state and that it solved the problem by removing itself from the government and making a secular government instead. Which is what Islam needs to do as well. Don't start whinnying and crying every time someone brings up Christianity.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think I noted that difference. The best thing for the Muslim people to do would be to remove their religion from their government. It's the best way for them to protect their religion.
    I don't disagree with that, but it isn't the government that is rioting over cartoons and crap like that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    And we'll get there ... eventually.

    Every religion has some type of reformation, Islam hasn't had one yet
    You've had fourteen hundred years. What's the hold up?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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