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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

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    Regardless the reporters admitted they broke the law. Can you say confession?
    2 things.

    1. If they actually admitted they did the "crimes" without any blackmail/torture/threats, then thats fine.

    2. By your logic, if a country mandates that no of item X is alowed in their country, and they detain Americans driving into the country, and shoot them/hang them, they are in the right. One word: no.
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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    2 things.

    1. If they actually admitted they did the "crimes" without any blackmail/torture/threats, then thats fine.

    2. By your logic, if a country mandates that no of item X is alowed in their country, and they detain Americans driving into the country, and shoot them/hang them, they are in the right. One word: no.
    No, if you bothered to read all of my previous posts you would know that I already said that I would not have been okay if they had been sentenced to a harsh fate. North Korea did not sentence them to death, they sentenced them to 12 years of labor, which is a normal punishment there. The reporters were not treated unfairly, and the punishment they were sentenced with was not unfair.

    I am honestly torn on this issue.

    Part of me, as an American, is outraged by the imprisonment of a US citizen. But on the other hand, the two reporters broke North Korean law. They were not arrested unfairly, they had broken one of the nation's laws. So part of me says they should have to serve their time. The imprisonment of the two journalists shouldn't be cruel and unusual, but it should not be prevented.

    Whether they broke an American law or not, these two broke some of the laws of land and they had to pay the price for it. North Korea didn't sentence them to death or anything, they gave them the same punishment that any Korean would have received. The US government did not have the authority to step in and free them, because the reporters had broken a law.
    The above is a quote of what I said earlier in this thread.

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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Great outcome, Clinton got the job done, glad the two women are safe, and we'll deal with the politics later.
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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Again I ask people that think this wasn't handled in the best way we could reasonable hope for,

    WHAT SHOULD WE HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?
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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Again I ask people that think this wasn't handled in the best way we could reasonable hope for,

    WHAT SHOULD WE HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?
    I think it was handled fine, don't know the exact concessions or if NK will get ballsy again, but we will deal with it as it comes, the most important thing is the two women are safely back with their families and unhurt.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Great outcome, Clinton got the job done, glad the two women are safe, and we'll deal with the politics later.
    Even if it was a good deal for the US and the world it seems highly unlikely that WJC was the one who made the deal.
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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Again I ask people that think this wasn't handled in the best way we could reasonable hope for,

    WHAT SHOULD WE HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?
    I'm still waiting for the fall out from this. Maybe it was handled the best possible way but maybe it would've been better to leave them there. I'd hate to think that the balance of world power was shifted toward a guy like KJI merely for the welfare of two people who got themselves into trouble.
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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    the most important thing is the two women are safely back with their families and unhurt.
    How can that possibly be the most important thing when dealing with KJI and nuclear weapons? I'd say the safety of the planet is just a tiny bit more important.
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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    the 2 lady journalists are preciously important

    bubba didn't matter at all, he was merely an envelope containing what we can't see but can quite easily surmise

    something valuable to kim which the tiny tinhorn could not publicize

    hello

    the 23 million "citizens" of north korea, each weighing an average of about 80 pounds, are important, too

    TRY not to forget about them next time you swoon for an american pol/tv star

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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Even if it was a good deal for the US and the world it seems highly unlikely that WJC was the one who made the deal.
    That's completely fair, but part of it may have been KJI's need to feel important in the world, Clinton would easily satisfy that, either way the result was a net good.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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