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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by Polimaster View Post
    I am honestly torn on this issue.

    Part of me, as an American, is outraged by the imprisonment of a US citizen. But on the other hand, the two reporters broke North Korean law. They were not arrested unfairly, they had broken one of the nation's laws. So part of me says they should have to serve their time. The imprisonment of the two journalists shouldn't be cruel and unusual, but it should not be prevented.

    Whether they broke an American law or not, these two broke some of the laws of land and they had to pay the price for it. North Korea didn't sentence them to death or anything, they gave them the same punishment that any Korean would have received. The US government did not have the authority to step in and free them, because the reporters had broken a law.
    That's all fine and well, but the problem is that they weren't doing the alleged crime for certain. The DPRK thinks the girls were spying, and had entered illegally or whatever. There was doubt, and rather then put them to trial, as they should have done, they punished them for something that they allegedly did.
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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Polls also showed that more than 50% of Americans were stupid enough to vote for Obama.

    What's your point?
    Hilarious. How about letting Obama do something before you complain that he's a failure?

    This is the Conservative way of doing business. "I'm going to vote against everything Obama does." "No, the stimulus package MUST BE TONED DOWN for me to vote for it. IT'S TOO BIG." "Look, Obama hasn't accomplished anything." "Stimulus package? It didn't stimulate anything."

    By preventing Obama from doing anything, Conservatives support failure. At least if you go in one direction, you have a 50% chance of being right. If you go halfway, you have almost zero chance of success. And before you say Conservative policies > Liberal policies, Bush's tax cuts really helped us stay out of a recession (I heard this on Hannity tonight. Ha!).

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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    While I think this was poor diplomacy by the obama administration by legitimizing kim jong il. I have to say, BJ did well here.... Even though all he did was do what the n. koreans said....

    As effed up as it was, I am glad the two algore reporters are home....
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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    While I think this was poor diplomacy by the obama administration by legitimizing kim jong il. I have to say, BJ did well here.... Even though all he did was do what the n. koreans said....

    As effed up as it was, I am glad the two algore reporters are home....
    Kim Jong told Clinton to take the gals home? He must be nicer than I thought if that's all he wanted. Thanks for enlightening us on what a gentleman Kim is.

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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    1. as gravity pulls DOWN and not UP, just as surely kim demanded SOMETHING in return for giving bubba the reporters

    2. it is as equally obvious and natural that kim's interest would dictate his LEVERAGING, ie, PUBLICIZING his gain

    3. so, just what POSSIBLY COULD IT BE that kim could GET and VALUE that he would also want to keep SECRET?

    4. hmm, just what COULD IT BE?

    5. ie, hello

    6. not a lot of real DEEP THOUGHT on this thread, some, maybe, but not a whole lot

    7. LOLOLOL!

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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Kim Jong told Clinton to take the gals home? He must be nicer than I thought if that's all he wanted. Thanks for enlightening us on what a gentleman Kim is.


    Dood, I won't debate you if your ignorant of the facts....


    He did, he would only release them if BJ showed up... .


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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Dood, I won't debate you if your ignorant of the facts....


    He did, he would only release them if BJ showed up... .


    Study and get back to us....
    Kim Jong Il was so controlling of the situation that it is highly regarded as a win for US diplomacy. I'm sure he got a lot of political power through his actions.

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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Kim Jong Il was so controlling of the situation that it is highly regarded as a win for US diplomacy. I'm sure he got a lot of political power through his actions.


    Please, you have hope as an old schooler, do not go "full retard".....


    Review the timeline and get back to me....
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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Please, you have hope as an old schooler, do not go "full retard".....


    Review the timeline and get back to me....
    Link to a reputable timeline?

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    Re: U.S. Journalists Pardoned by North Korea Following Visit from Former President Bi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    1. as gravity pulls DOWN and not UP, just as surely kim demanded SOMETHING in return for giving bubba the reporters

    2. it is as equally obvious and natural that kim's interest would dictate his LEVERAGING, ie, PUBLICIZING his gain

    3. so, just what POSSIBLY COULD IT BE that kim could GET and VALUE that he would also want to keep SECRET?
    There was talk of this on BBC radio. Apparently, Kim had wanted Clinton specifically to come. While not sure, the political analyst they talked to said that Kim had been wanting a standing president to visit NK for a while now, but probably because that would never happened, a former head of state was good enough and the journalists heard about this (and that he wanted Clinton specifically) and were able to tell about this during a phone conversation to their families. To get this visit was possibly a way for Kim to improve the chances that one of his sons will take over after him.
    ...we honor leaders for what they achieve, but we often prefer to close our eyes to the way they achieve it...

    In the real world, politics is compromise and democracy is politics. Anyone who would be a statesman has to be a successful politician first. Also, a leader has to deal with people and nations as they are, not as they should be. As a result, the qualities required for leadership are not necessary those that we would want our children to emulate - unless we wanted them to be leaders.

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