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    SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Daily Express | UK News :: Sin bins for worst families

    The Children’s Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes.

    They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.

    Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction.
    You people in Britain who say you care about freedom had better get out there and protest this loudly, because if this sticks, it's over for you as a free country.

    How blatantly, literally Orwellian does it have to get for you to react?
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Though I understand the goal of this program, I am not inclined to give the government such rights. That being said, the majority if such families are most likely the Welfare families of the nation, and as the government is their provider, should have a say in ensuring that the household is being ran in a manner that will be conducive to raising children that will be good citizens and not re-breeding more Welfare abusers.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    So . . .

    If the government gives you money, you give up your fundamental civil liberties?
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So . . .

    If the government gives you money, you give up your fundamental civil liberties?
    Murphy's Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules.

    If we surrender our wealth to the government, accepting from government such stipend as government deigns to disburse, on what grounds can we ever claim any further right or privilege?

    The wise man seeks to retain his wealth, however small, thereby retaining all of his liberty, which will always be large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So . . .

    If the government gives you money, you give up your fundamental civil liberties?
    If the governement pays your bills, then you have given-up your freedom, as you have proven that you cannot survive on your own. To allow such people to propogate more Welfare seekers and teen gangsters would be an exercise in stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    If the governement pays your bills, then you have given-up your freedom, as you have proven that you cannot survive on your own. To allow such people to propogate more Welfare seekers and teen gangsters would be an exercise in stupidity.
    This makes me sad.

    But, if you truly believe that the government simply writing you a check makes you a subject and not a citizen, then that's the very best argument for eliminating welfare I've ever heard.

    So . . . why wouldn't the government then seek to get as many people on the government dole as possible, as it extends control over as many people as possible? Because politicians are nice, high-minded people?
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Murphy's Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules.

    If we surrender our wealth to the government, accepting from government such stipend as government deigns to disburse, on what grounds can we ever claim any further right or privilege?

    The wise man seeks to retain his wealth, however small, thereby retaining all of his liberty, which will always be large.
    This is the part of, "redistribution of wealth", that most Libbos don't understand.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This makes me sad.

    But, if you truly believe that the government simply writing you a check makes you a subject and not a citizen, then that's the very best argument for eliminating welfare I've ever heard.

    So . . . why wouldn't the government then seek to get as many people on the government dole as possible, as it extends control over as many people as possible? Because politicians are nice, high-minded people?
    My argument is that if the public is supporting you, then they should expect that you would comply with the laws of the land. If one on the government support system is unable to follow such laws, or are raising their kids to not do so, then the public interest is to monitor and correct such behavior.

    I do agree the Welfare system needs to go the way of the dinosaur. As to your thought that the government would wish to extend such enrollment, I would say that there would be no need. Those who are not a leech upon society, need not be supported nor controlled. They are the individulas who are utilizing their freedom to support themselves, provide for their families, and living a peaceful, law abiding life. There is no need to hinder nor reduce the freedoms of such people.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You people in Britain who say you care about freedom had better get out there and protest this loudly, because if this sticks, it's over for you as a free country.

    How blatantly, literally Orwellian does it have to get for you to react?
    The thing is that the system is funding these people through assistance payments and the like. If you accept funds from the government to stay home and raise your children, for instance, you forfeit a large degree of your personal autonomy.

    The government then has a responsibility to ensure that the taxpayer dole is spent properly, on nutritious food and quality housing, not meth for mom's tweaker habit.

    The dole is NOT a way of life, but a temporary safety net. For those for whom it has become a way of life, it seems to me that society has a vested interest in habilitating these people who will otherwise be supported at taxpayer expense eternally.

    And I say "habilitated" versus rehabilitated, because to a very large degree, the chronic dole abusers have very few life skills. They don't know how to cook. They don't know how to clean. They don't ensure their kids attend school. Their children don't wear clean clothes unless they wash them. They don't have any work skills, and most are illiterate.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    But, if you truly believe that the government simply writing you a check makes you a subject and not a citizen, then that's the very best argument for eliminating welfare I've ever heard.

    So . . . why wouldn't the government then seek to get as many people on the government dole as possible, as it extends control over as many people as possible? Because politicians are nice, high-minded people?
    They can't. They need someone to subsidize the welfare payments. That would be us, the faithful workers/taxpayers of the world.

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