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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No. "Reasonable suspicion" and probable cause are out the window when you favor 24/7 surveillance simply because people are using a government service.

    You're using a service you're not paying for. Therefore, you're on that state's dole. Therefore, it gets to monitor you as it chooses. Don't like it? Don't use the roads.
    As soon as I buy gas in that state, I am a tax payer.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    All it takes is a vote to overturn them, right?
    Yeah.

    The Bill of Rights apparently means nothing to you, what with all its guarantees of people being secure in their own homes, but you still think the government will honor a "vote."
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    As soon as I buy gas in that state, I am a tax payer.
    Then you'll be monitored to make sure that you DO buy gas. They'll set up the cameras at a checkpoint right on the border. Why, that makes the analogy even better.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Then you'll be monitored to make sure that you DO buy gas. They'll set up the cameras at a checkpoint right on the border.
    Are there not already highway cameras?

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    All it takes is a vote to overturn them, right?
    Laws are not voted upon by the citizenry. Only the legislature may rescind a law.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Are there not already highway cameras?
    Doesn't matter. The analogue to having 24/7 cameras inside your home is to have one in your car.

    So, why the sudden resistance? Got to make sure you don't fleece the taxpayers, don't they?
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I already said it should be used for those that abuse the system, for to me they are nothing more than criminals.
    How do you find these people? How do you enforce this? Is there a review system somewhere, or once condemned is that it? Like the no fly list.?

    To you they may be nothing more than criminals, but as they aren't actually breaking a law how can you justly endorse infringing upon their rights and liberties? You're just being bitter and allowing that to override reason and logic.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How do you find these people? How do you enforce this? Is there a review system somewhere, or once condemned is that it? Like the no fly list.?

    To you they may be nothing more than criminals, but as they aren't actually breaking a law how can you justly endorse infringing upon their rights and liberties? You're just being bitter and allowing that to override reason and logic.
    The article says for worse families. Thus, there must be a mechanism in place and a review board to determine who this is and when the monitoring should stop. I have advocated anything less?

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    I've heard advication for the unreasonable, uncalled for, tyrannical monitoring of people who take government money to aid in their current financial situation. I'm just trying to see where your boarders are at. Those won't be the government's boarders, they'll take it farther of course. I just wanted to find out how far down this road you wanted to tread. There are people on welfare, there are some on there for quite some time. True. Some are not ideal parents, true. But that's not all, and I want to know how we find those specific people, and identify them correctly and if they have recourse other than living on the street digging through trash for food (which isn't much an alternative) to get off these lists and horrible horrible government monitoring of its populace.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The article says for worse families. Thus, there must be a mechanism in place and a review board to determine who this is and when the monitoring should stop. I have advocated anything less?
    Here in the US, there IS a mechanism in place to determine when this should and shouldn't happen -- it's the called 4th Amendment.
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