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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

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    Only the group of people who place their lives in the hands of the government, not tax paying, working Americans.
    What about working Americans who lost their job and use government assistance till they can get a job again?

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    Sure, but they have determined that the government is better suited to running their lives than they are.
    No, the government offered a program to assist with the very poor, and they have opted to use that program. The government is not running their lives or raising their children, merely providing some financial support for them to do so. As it is a legal program, it cannot come with the infringement of rights. That's treason and tyranny of the highest caliber.

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    How is it totalitarian? It is simply cameras for the purpose of ensuring people are taking care of their children. Apparently the majority of those on Welfare are not now doing so.
    How is it not? Fascist, big brother government is what you're calling for. Most everyone takes advantage of a taxpayer program usually.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    How about this?

    You pay taxes in the state where you live.

    You drive to another state and use its roads.

    Because you're using a state service, that state decides to put a camera in your car to make sure you're not breaking any laws.

    When you protest, they simply say "then pay for the use of our roads, you $&#&^@ freeloader." After all, you're getting government services other people are paying for.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "Simply."

    This is utter madness. You people are going to richly deserve the jackboot on your throats.
    Your being too dramatic. When the people stop abusing the system they will no longer be monitored. It never said that the program was indefinite.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Your being too dramatic. When the people stop abusing the system they will no longer be monitored. It never said that the program was indefinite.
    I'm being exactly as dramatic as it calls for. You're being far too complacent. You figure it's just "them" being oppressed, so it doesn't affect you.

    Like I said, you might as well just round them up into camps.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    How about this?

    You pay taxes in the state where you live.

    You drive to another state and use its roads.

    Because you're using a state service, that state decides to put a camera in your car to make sure you're not breaking any laws.

    When you protest, they simply say "then pay for the use of our roads, you $&#&^@ freeloader." After all, you're getting government services other people are paying for.
    No need, the police are there to ensure I do not break the laws on the highway. I am not free to drive without being stopped. The traffic police or highway patrol may stop me if they find it necessary. They may also search my vehicle if they have reasonable suspicion. Should we bar the police from doing these things as well?

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm being exactly as dramatic as it calls for. You're being far too complacent. You figure it's just "them" being oppressed, so it doesn't affect you.

    Like I said, you might as well just round them up into camps.
    They already live in camps. Go visit your nearest government housing projects and you will see. Also, walk around one after dark, hell, do it in the daylight and chances are you will get mugged or shot. They are a haven for crime.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Your being too dramatic. When the people stop abusing the system they will no longer be monitored. It never said that the program was indefinite.
    Riiiiiiight. Cuz we all know government programs just fade away into the sunset when they're no longer needed.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What about working Americans who lost their job and use government assistance till they can get a job again?



    No, the government offered a program to assist with the very poor, and they have opted to use that program. The government is not running their lives or raising their children, merely providing some financial support for them to do so. As it is a legal program, it cannot come with the infringement of rights. That's treason and tyranny of the highest caliber.



    How is it not? Fascist, big brother government is what you're calling for. Most everyone takes advantage of a taxpayer program usually.
    I already said it should be used for those that abuse the system, for to me they are nothing more than criminals.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    No need, the police are there to ensure I do not break the laws on the highway. I am not free to drive without being stopped. The traffic police or highway patrol may stop me if they find it necessary. They may also search my vehicle if they have reasonable suspicion. Should we bar the police from doing these things as well?
    No. "Reasonable suspicion" and probable cause are out the window when you favor 24/7 surveillance simply because people are using a government service.

    You're using a service you're not paying for. Therefore, you're on that state's dole. Therefore, it gets to monitor you as it chooses. Don't like it? Don't use the roads.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Riiiiiiight. Cuz we all know government programs just fade away into the sunset when they're no longer needed.
    All it takes is a vote to overturn them, right?

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