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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You don't think this policy is extreme? What do you think Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin would have said?



    First they came for the lazy, useless people, and I said nothing...
    I understand your point. You feel it will be a slippery slope. However, Franklin and Jefferson would have never approved the Welfare system. Secondly, if the people are mindful of government, then there is no worries of the slippery slope.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

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    Not if they give-up the Welfare money. Let it be a choice. Take the money and be watched, stop taking the money and live as you like.
    So you were talking about it. This is dumb, this is opressive, this is a step towards horrible fascism. If you don't like it, then reform the system. But you cannot infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual because they are taking advantage of a program we offer. If you want to do that, you're no better than any tyrant who has oppressed and suppressed his people and their ability to exercise their rights. That's all there is to it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Secondly, if the people are mindful of government,
    Government needs to be mindful of ME! I own the damned thing.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Not if they give-up the Welfare money. Let it be a choice. Take the money and be watched, stop taking the money and live as you like.
    I almost feel like crying after reading this thread.

    I always knew there would be a future dark age; the cycle of history demands it. I just never seriously entertained the thought that I would live to see it until the last few years.

    If you people do represent the prevailing mindset, then we're finished as a free society. What you've said should be repulsive to any American, or any other freedom-lover.

    Enjoy your in-home cameras, because if you think it'll be limited to the "undesirables," you're complete and utter fools.
    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Government needs to be mindful of ME! I own the damned thing.
    The government is the PEOPLE collectively. Thus, we must collectively be mindful of the steps elected leaders make.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I almost feel like crying after reading this thread.

    I always knew there would be a future dark age; the cycle of history demands it. I just never seriously entertained the thought that I would live to see it until the last few years.

    If you people do represent the prevailing mindset, then we're finished as a free society. What you've said should be repulsive to any American, or any other freedom-lover.

    Enjoy your in-home cameras, because if you think it'll be limited to the "undesirables," you're complete and utter fools.
    Of course I love freedom. I would in no way think that people should be subject to having their right to privacy revoked through such means. However, it strikes me as funny, that you guys feel that those who will not do for themselves, and are essentially living on a subsocialist system, are run of the mill voters. These people fight to preserve the freeloading lifestyle they subsist on. So end the Welfare state and I will be happy.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The government is the PEOPLE collectively. Thus, we must collectively be mindful of the steps elected leaders make.
    No, the government and We the People are two separate entities. The government is a device, a tool created by We the People to accomplish that which must be accomplished on an aggregated scale and to ensure and proliferate the rights and liberties of the People. We the People are the creator and owner of the government. The government works towards our liberty and rights. It's important to see this difference. The government cannot infringe upon the rights of the individual, and that's not contingent upon not taking money from the government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    So end the Welfare state and I will be happy.
    Wanting to end welfare is different than wanting to infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individuals who use welfare.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Of course I love freedom. I would in no way think that people should be subject to having their right to privacy revoked through such means. However, it strikes me as funny, that you guys feel that those who will not do for themselves, and are essentially living on a subsocialist system, are run of the mill voters. These people fight to preserve the freeloading lifestyle they subsist on.
    At no time was entry into a welfare program contingent upon the acceptance of such draconian security measures. Only after these families became dependent upon welfare did the government seek to implement this policy. Basically, you are advocating government blackmail in the way of a retroactive ultimatum.

    So end the Welfare state and I will be happy.
    Harshaw, Ikari, and I are certainly no fans of the welfare state, BUT if we, as liberty-loving individuals, have to choose between maintaining welfare or imposing draconian security measures on the "undesirables" the choice is easy. I choose liberty each and every time, as should you.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, the government and We the People are two separate entities. The government is a device, a tool created by We the People to accomplish that which must be accomplished on an aggregated scale and to ensure and proliferate the rights and liberties of the People. We the People are the creator and owner of the government. The government works towards our liberty and rights. It's important to see this difference. The government cannot infringe upon the rights of the individual, and that's not contingent upon not taking money from the government.
    Actually, if you the people start relying upon funds from other taxpayers to subsidize your life, you allow them input into how you live that life. The gummint has no life aside from what it is given by citizens.

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