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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is pretty scary, actually.

    When conservatives, liberals, and nominal centrists all agree that the government writing you a check means you surrender your basic civil liberties, the Bill of Rights notwithstanding, we're heading down a road that we're never coming back from.
    The govenrment writing a check does nothing for our innate and inalienable rights. Maybe if it's done on a large enough scale, you'll get enough people dependent you'll get enough to surrender the exercise of their rights and not fight back; but that's it. Accepting money from the government isn't surrendering rights or liberties or any of it. That's stupid. I can take all the money I want from the government, welfare, unemployement, medicade/medicare, etc. and it still doesn't matter. It doesn't change the fact that I am the one in charge of the government, that I am of We the People, the source of all power and sovereignty the government wields. The base stays the same. Maybe we collectively say that "we want some form of limited welfare because **** happens from time to time and if we help people out while they get back on their feet, it behooves us all instead of letting them fall into abject poverty and homelessness". Fine, whatever, but if people need that money or qualify for that money, it's not saying "hey, the government can not monitor you 24/7". I mean ****, if someone gets a bank loan, financing on a vehicle, a mortgage now subject to surveillance and monitoring by the banks? Student loans get you looked on by the government? What does it take?

    No, this whole "you give something up when you take money from the government" stuff is nothing short of tyrannical bull****.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Then what are your solutions?
    Easy. Phase out welfare programs.

    The problem the UK is having is that Welfare families are breeding more Welfare families and criminal teens, which are on the rise.
    Further evidence that welfare programs create a cycle of dependency which perpetuates poverty and laziness. Phase the programs out slowly and put the onus back on individuals to provide for themselves.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Of course it is terrifying if it is happening to regular, tax paying citizens.
    Yea, it's no big deal when it happens to the "undesirables".

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Of course it is terrifying if it is happening to regular, tax paying citizens.
    It's terrifying if it happens to ANYONE. These people are being watched around the clock in their own homes to make sure they're not doing anything wrong. How does this not terrify anyone who believes in freedom?

    The ONLY legitimate reason in a free society to restrict liberty is in punishment of a duly-convicted crime. (Yes, there are some limited exceptions for emergencies, but merely accepting a welfare check is NOT an emergency.)

    Honestly, what is WRONG with you people? Good grief, why not just round them all up into camps?
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The govenrment writing a check does nothing for our innate and inalienable rights. Maybe if it's done on a large enough scale, you'll get enough people dependent you'll get enough to surrender the exercise of their rights and not fight back; but that's it. Accepting money from the government isn't surrendering rights or liberties or any of it. That's stupid. I can take all the money I want from the government, welfare, unemployement, medicade/medicare, etc. and it still doesn't matter. It doesn't change the fact that I am the one in charge of the government, that I am of We the People, the source of all power and sovereignty the government wields. The base stays the same. Maybe we collectively say that "we want some form of limited welfare because **** happens from time to time and if we help people out while they get back on their feet, it behooves us all instead of letting them fall into abject poverty and homelessness". Fine, whatever, but if people need that money or qualify for that money, it's not saying "hey, the government can not monitor you 24/7". I mean ****, if someone gets a bank loan, financing on a vehicle, a mortgage now subject to surveillance and monitoring by the banks? Student loans get you looked on by the government? What does it take?

    No, this whole "you give something up when you take money from the government" stuff is nothing short of tyrannical bull****.

    No one is suggesting the extremes you are portraying. It is that people are tired of supporting lazy, useless people, who will not work, continuously reproduce, and raise their children to live the same lifestyle or become criminals.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    No one is suggesting the extremes you are portraying. It is that people are tired of supporting lazy, useless people, who will not work, continuously reproduce, and raise their children to live the same lifestyle or become criminals.
    So, not wanting to support them means you can violate their rights as you please?
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's terrifying if it happens to ANYONE. These people are being watched around the clock in their own homes to make sure they're not doing anything wrong. How does this not terrify anyone who believes in freedom?

    The ONLY legitimate reason in a free society to restrict liberty is in punishment of a duly-convicted crime. (Yes, there are some limited exceptions for emergencies, but merely accepting a welfare check is NOT an emergency.)

    Honestly, what is WRONG with you people? Good grief, why not just round them all up into camps?
    Good idea!! Oh, actually they already are, they are called projects, ghettos, whatever you like. I prefer to call it what it really is, government housing!

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    No one is suggesting the extremes you are portraying.
    You don't think this policy is extreme? What do you think Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin would have said?

    It is that people are tired of supporting lazy, useless people, who will not work, continuously reproduce, and raise their children to live the same lifestyle or become criminals.
    First they came for the lazy, useless people, and I said nothing...

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So, not wanting to support them means you can violate their rights as you please?
    Not if they give-up the Welfare money. Let it be a choice. Take the money and be watched, stop taking the money and live as you like.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Not if they give-up the Welfare money. Let it be a choice. Take the money and be watched, stop taking the money and live as you like.
    Government blackmail. That's nice.

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