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SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

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And then you went on from there.

Pardon me, I will be sure to be more clear in my definitons from hence forward.

I do not see it as madness for those that abuse the system. It will no doubt be a deterrant.
 
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I find it reprehensible that anyone would consider doing this, if these parents are so horrible they should either have their children taken or be arrested.

It's even crazier that anyone would support this, it doesn't matter if it isn't you because it just opens the door to them extending it to other groups.

It's interesting that no Brits have offered any opinions here.
 
I scrolled through this thread to see if any of our friends from the UK have weighed in on this yet. I hope they organize and take this to the streets. Government has no business installing cameras in anyones home.
 
Pardon me, I will be sure to be more clear in my definitons from hence forward.

I think you were, but decided to backpedal.


I do not see it as madness for those that abuse the system. It will no doubt be a deterrant.

There is no circumstance under which this has a place in a free society. You give them the money or you don't, but either way, they do NOT forfeit their rights just because they use a government service, any more than you do using another state's roads.
 
I think you were, but decided to backpedal.

I assure you that I was only speaking about the lifers.



There is no circumstance under which this has a place in a free society. You give them the money or you don't, but either way, they do NOT forfeit their rights just because they use a government service, any more than you do using another state's roads.

Apparently, you and I disagree about what freedom is.
 
I assure you that I was only speaking about the lifers.

If you say so. Not that it matters.



Apparently, you and I disagree about what freedom is.

Apparently so. My concept of it is that basic civil liberties as recognized in the Bill of Rights and elsewhere apply equally to everyone not duly convicted of a crime. Yours, clearly, is different.
 
They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.

If parents cannot do that then they shouldn't be parents to begin with and who says what is a 'proper meal'?

'aka the end of liberty in Britain'
The end of liberty? You mean that didn't happen years ago?

Labour has been doing this for a while now and in many areas of life.
For example I have to actually be careful of where i place my recycling lest my council fine and drag me to court

Am i the only Brit with the 'black box' for paper, 'grey' for food and items that can decompose and 'green' for plastic and it has to be filled out correctly?
 
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It's interesting that no Brits have offered any opinions here.

I just noticed the thread probably the same for other Brits
 
For example I have to actually be careful of where i place my recycling lest my council fine and drag me to court

That's ridiculous too. Well, I know what would be in my recycling bin then.
 
That's ridiculous too. Well, I know what would be in my recycling bin then.

It is annoying when i have to spend a while ensuring i don't mix them up.
Councils are just like that.
They will fine if your dog is off a leash, poo of the streets.
Chewing gum, drop litter = fine

Its a easy way for them to get more money.
 
Daily Express | UK News :: Sin bins for worst families



You people in Britain who say you care about freedom had better get out there and protest this loudly, because if this sticks, it's over for you as a free country.

How blatantly, literally Orwellian does it have to get for you to react?
In other words, "we will add you biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile."
 
I scrolled through this thread to see if any of our friends from the UK have weighed in on this yet. I hope they organize and take this to the streets. Government has no business installing cameras in anyones home.

And do what? You forget our guns were taken away from us
All we can do right now is just pray Conservatives will remove this bull****.

It is a sad state of affairs for Labour when you miss Thatcher who protected individual liberties
 
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If the governement pays your bills, then you have given-up your freedom, as you have proven that you cannot survive on your own. To allow such people to propogate more Welfare seekers and teen gangsters would be an exercise in stupidity.
Outside of a transitory crisis, such as anyone might experience, I agree.

It's one thing for the local factory to close suddenly, and for one to take food stamps and assistance for six months while relocating or acquiring other employment, and driving the new family SUV out for a fine dinner, and trip to the liqour store after a quick stop at the welfare office to demand more money.
 
And do what?
All we can do right now is just pray Conservatives will remove this bull****.

It is a sad state of affairs for Labour when you miss Thatcher who protected individual liberties

Riot, burn some **** down.
Anarchy in the UK
 
Riot, burn some **** down.
Anarchy in the UK

The last riots we had were god knows how long ago and all the Government needs to do is put the police on us and we're screwed and if police can't control the masses, the army would be called.
And gatherings cannot occur without permission from the Government ...

Reading my own posts is making me very depressed ...

When is US going to invade and bring democracy to UK? We need it more than anyone else now.
 
It's one thing for the local factory to close suddenly, and for one to take food stamps and assistance for six months while relocating or acquiring other employment, and driving the new family SUV out for a fine dinner, and trip to the liqour store after a quick stop at the welfare office to demand more money.

Indeed, but that does not justify this extreme measure, especially when there are many other alternatives that actually are fitting.
 
Indeed, but that does not justify this extreme measure, especially when there are many other alternatives that actually are fitting.

Perhaps this measure, even if it is never put into practice, will cause some actual reform in the Welfare system. Like kicking the habitual lazy to the curb and making them get a job.
 
Perhaps this measure, even if it is never put into practice, will cause some actual reform in the Welfare system. Like kicking the habitual lazy to the curb and making them get a job.

I got an idea, how about remove the welfare system and let those lazy ass idiots get a job.
If you can walk and talk. You can work.
And if people are not putting money into the system, they do not deserve to benefit from it
 
Let's put all of this into perspective. I, like many of you here, do not wish to see personal liberties infringed. However, I can longer tolerate those who abuse the system in order to subsist on the labor of others. If people are unwilling to act in order to rid society of this drain, then I would see the rights of such people infringed. If anyone has a better way of dealing with such things, what ar they?

I will present one. First off, people who file for Welfare and have a child to care for, should be legally unable to become pregnant and remain on Welfare for children born while on Welfare, as this is a means regularly used to remain in the system.
 
I will present one. First off, people who file for Welfare and have a child to care for, should be legally unable to become pregnant and remain on Welfare for children born while on Welfare, as this is a means regularly used to remain in the system.

You hit on a sore spot for me.
There was women inside this country having children after children because they will get extra Government money.

Hell, i'll give you two examples.
'I've had SEVEN kids since I was 15,' says mother, 24, raking in £24,000 a year in benefits | Mail Online

24 thousand pounds a year for lazing around and getting her ass knocked up.
She should have been taken off benefits list after the 1st child.

Gambian immigrant pocketed £20,000 in benefits after claiming she had 18 children | Mail Online
 
First off, people who file for Welfare and have a child to care for, should be legally unable to become pregnant and remain on Welfare for children born while on Welfare, as this is a means regularly used to remain in the system.

You can't do any of that, not if you're looking for the maximization and garuntee of our rights and liberties. What you claim is counter to that. This is absurd. You may not like welfare, fine, argue against it. But while we have it you can't justly argue for the infringement of the rights and liberties of the individuals just because they have made the choice and qualify for welfare. They get to be on it, it's done. You may not like welfare all you want, and that's fine. You may want to get rid of it, and that's fine. But you cannot authorize the government to act against the rights and liberties of the individual while we have it. It's a legal program and you cannot punish people for doing nothing wrong. There is no justice in that, there is no freedom in that. It's counter to those, it's nothing short of an act of treason and tyranny. If people want to keep welfare going, then we just have to live with the fact that there will be some amount of abuse. Some poor people abusing the welfare program is the least of my worries. Government abusing its powers and duties is amongst the greatest of my concerns.
 
If you advocate taking away basic civil liberties in the absence of conviction of a crime (or prisoner of war or some other thing not remotely in play here), you are simply an enemy to freedom. Try to wrap it up in pretty little bows as much as you want, but that's what you are.
 
If this comes to be, what will stop this from eventually reaching the masses, the population not under the classification of which this tyranny began? What would stop this from spreading to other countries, even to say the U.S?


If this **** comes to the U.S... bye bye freedom, bye bye U.S.****ing.A:(
 
Daily Express | UK News :: Sin bins for worst families



You people in Britain who say you care about freedom had better get out there and protest this loudly, because if this sticks, it's over for you as a free country.

How blatantly, literally Orwellian does it have to get for you to react?

I am presently living on an estate where Anti Social Behaviour [ASB] is a real problem for the community. I decided, with a group of committed residents to take on the perpetrators. We have been successful in obtaining eviction orders for two families [only for them to be housed in another part of the city]
There offences range from drug using/dealing, violent intimidation of vulnerable and elderly residents etc etc [Too many offences to list]
The way our group has gone about its business is by providing the conduit between the community and all services that have the power to change things. It took the authorities 3 years to evict one family, that's 3 years the community had to suffer.
So, i suggest this would be an important tool in combating these kinds of family. It runs in conjunction with 'the family intervention project' and believe me when i say you have got to be the most disruptive, despicable and dysfunctional to be put on such a project. These kind of families deserve NO LIBERTY when they take away the liberty, of the law abiding older and vulnerable members of the community.

Edited to add, As i,m extremely passionate about this subject i feel it only fair i bring your attention to the two families of which were evicted. Family A- no father figure around [initially] 3 children, mother does not work. Mother a known drug user as are 2 of the children aged 13/15 as yet its not sure if the 8 yr old has started. Before they were evicted mother became pregnant by a 21 yr old-surprise, surprise Drug user!!

Family B- Mother and Father present- neither work- 5 children. Mother and Father known drug users, before they left Mother went on a ' five week drug rehabilitation program' as yet the oldest child is nine, not sure if they are drug-users.

Give them LIBERTY!!.....boy is my blood boiling:x

Sorry for going on.

Paul
 
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Though I understand the goal of this program, I am not inclined to give the government such rights. That being said, the majority if such families are most likely the Welfare families of the nation, and as the government is their provider, should have a say in ensuring that the household is being ran in a manner that will be conducive to raising children that will be good citizens and not re-breeding more Welfare abusers.

Placing cameras in their homes will not end generational poverty. How can it? :confused:
 
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