Page 2 of 18 FirstFirst 123412 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 180

Thread: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

  1. #11
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:25 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,073

    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Daily Express | UK News :: Sin bins for worst families



    You people in Britain who say you care about freedom had better get out there and protest this loudly, because if this sticks, it's over for you as a free country.

    How blatantly, literally Orwellian does it have to get for you to react?
    If they mooch off tax payer money(notice I said tax payer money not government money, because it is still the tax payers money) then the tax payers have the right to demand that those who mooch off us not waste our money on illegal or recreational drugs(booze and what ever drugs are legal for recreational use),not do anything illegal,not pop out any more kids you can not afford to take care of and make sure their kids grow up right. This should be true in any country that allows citizens or subjects(depending on country) to mooch off other tax payers. The whole entire point of welfare is to make sure that the people who are on it do what they are supposed to do with it and get back on their feet, this is a tax payer investment not a blank check for the welfare recipeint to do what ever the hell they want with it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  2. #12
    Filmmaker Lawyer Patriot
    Harshaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:27 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    29,605

    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    My argument is that if the public is supporting you, then they should expect that you would comply with the laws of the land. If one on the government support system is unable to follow such laws, or are raising their kids to not do so, then the public interest is to monitor and correct such behavior.

    I do agree the Welfare system needs to go the way of the dinosaur. As to your thought that the government would wish to extend such enrollment, I would say that there would be no need. Those who are not a leech upon society, need not be supported nor controlled. They are the individulas who are utilizing their freedom to support themselves, provide for their families, and living a peaceful, law abiding life. There is no need to hinder nor reduce the freedoms of such people.
    If it means increasing their power, why would they not?
    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

  3. #13
    Filmmaker Lawyer Patriot
    Harshaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:27 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    29,605

    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    They can't. They need someone to subsidize the welfare payments. That would be us, the faithful workers/taxpayers of the world.
    You probably need to review the history of . . . well, government in general. But to make it simpler, start with the Bolsheviks.
    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

  4. #14
    Filmmaker Lawyer Patriot
    Harshaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:27 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    29,605

    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The thing is that the system is funding these people through assistance payments and the like. If you accept funds from the government to stay home and raise your children, for instance, you forfeit a large degree of your personal autonomy.
    Says whom?

    The government then has a responsibility to ensure that the taxpayer dole is spent properly, on nutritious food and quality housing, not meth for mom's tweaker habit.
    Then the correct thing to do is stop spending it, not restrict freedom. I.E., if you don't use the hand you're offered to make your life better, then you lose that hand.
    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

  5. #15
    Filmmaker Lawyer Patriot
    Harshaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:27 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    29,605

    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    This is pretty scary, actually.

    When conservatives, liberals, and nominal centrists all agree that the government writing you a check means you surrender your basic civil liberties, the Bill of Rights notwithstanding, we're heading down a road that we're never coming back from.
    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

  6. #16
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:25 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,073

    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is pretty scary, actually.

    When conservatives, liberals, and nominal centrists all agree that the government writing you a check means you surrender your basic civil liberties, the Bill of Rights notwithstanding, we're heading down a road that we're never coming back from.
    The solution is to go a charity and not take the check. Another solution is to abstain from sex seeing how that person is obviously too stupid to use adequate protection and require that her sex partner also use a condom. or give the kids up for adoption, the state or a nice married couple can take care of those kids.



    Maybe the reason why so many liberals,conservatives and centrist agree because it is not the government writing you a check with the government's money, it is the government writing you a check with tax payers money. The government has no money. So its like when the government bails out companies or funds some sort of project with our money. We would like our money to not be wasted on CEO bonuses(even though it is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the money we gave them), union vacation spots or if we are funding a road construction project we would like something to ensure that road is being built right the first time and that not a single penny is being wasted.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 08-03-09 at 11:50 AM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  7. #17
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Says whom?
    Says me, the taxpayer, who is funding this social experiment.

    Then the correct thing to do is stop spending it, not restrict freedom. I.E., if you don't use the hand you're offered to make your life better, then you lose that hand.
    I'm completely in favor of cutting off the handouts. But, if you accept a handout, you are opening your door to have the meddlers come into your family and meddle.

  8. #18
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    When conservatives, liberals, and nominal centrists all agree that the government writing you a check means you surrender your basic civil liberties, the Bill of Rights notwithstanding, we're heading down a road that we're never coming back from.
    Then don't accept the check. The taxpayers have a right to ensure that the money is being spent properly. If you don't like the strings attached to the check, get off your ass and work.

  9. #19
    Guru
    tlmorg02's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Louisville, Ky
    Last Seen
    07-23-15 @ 11:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    3,347

    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If it means increasing their power, why would they not?
    Because the point of the legislation in question is not to expand power, but to prevent crime and protect children, protect society and end wasteful spending.

  10. #20
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Because the point of the legislation in question is not to expand power, but to prevent crime and protect children, protect society and end wasteful spending.
    Beyond that, a person who accepts the dole is saying, in effect: "I can't handle my business, I need everyone else to rescue me from the circumstances of my life."

    Don't be surprised if you get exactly what you've asked for.

Page 2 of 18 FirstFirst 123412 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •