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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    People are almost never imprisoned for child abuse unless someone is raped or died.
    I've had limited experience with this and your right.

    My previous neighbor was doing meth and her daughter was already in jail for meth as well. So she had custody for her daughters child which she never really took care of and when DFCS finally came to get the kid, the little girl had a newborn diaper on with duck tape holding it together because she was took big for it.

    Of course she wasn't arrested even though she was the primary caretaker and had not done her duty to care for the child. It's insanity.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's not what I'm talking about, Yankee Doodle. I'm saying: Do you know definitively that these people who are being subjected to this monitoring weren't guilty of criminal child abuse?

    You don't.
    What I'm saying King George, is that unless you can show some form of reasonable suspicion and are able to obtain a warrant, there's nothing you can do to put these people under surveillance. Not rightfully.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

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    Adoption is a damn difficult thing to partake in.
    My family engaged in it with good sucess.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What I'm saying King George, is that unless you can show some form of reasonable suspicion and are able to obtain a warrant, there's nothing you can do to put these people under surveillance. Not rightfully.
    How do you know that warrants and/or court findings were NOT pursued in these cases? You're speculating wildly in lieu of facts.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I've had limited experience with this and your right.

    My previous neighbor was doing meth and her daughter was already in jail for meth as well. So she had custody for her daughters child which she never really took care of and when DFCS finally came to get the kid, the little girl had a newborn diaper on with duck tape holding it together because she was took big for it.

    Of course she wasn't arrested even though she was the primary caretaker and had not done her duty to care for the child. It's insanity.
    That's because criminal charges are almost never pursued in family court against serial child abusers. There is an epidemic of child-directed violence and neglect in this country, and nobody does a damn thing.

    Hell yeah, I'm in favor of watching these people on camera.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How do you know that warrants and/or court findings were NOT pursued in these cases? You're speculating wildly in lieu of facts.

    But, hey, let freedom ring.
    Prove that there are warrants. All this talk of putting cameras and surveillance up requires proof itself. The burden of proof is not on me, it's on those wishing to infringe upon the rights of the individual...you. You have to supply the proof. The only way to justly (and it's not always just, it's merely the only way which can yield a just result) infringe upon the rights of the individual is through the courts. Someone being on welfare doesn't qualify, someone being maybe suspicious doesn't qualify. Someone maybe abusing a system/person doesn't qualify. You have to have proof and provide it. Otherwise you're engaging in treason and tyranny against the People.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Instead of a knee jerk reaction, research is always helpful:

    Respect - Members - What is a family intervention project?

    What is the problem?
    In some communities there are a small number of highly problematic families that account for a disproportionate amount of anti-social behaviour. They are well known to many service providers and enforcement agencies. Some families have up to twenty different organisations involved with them.

    The effect of their behaviour on communities cannot be under-estimated. Those living around these families often move home themselves if they can, many end up keeping their children indoors and changing their daily routines. Their behaviour corrodes community spirit and reduces a community’s capacity to deal with problems. These families can also have problems themselves – physical and mental health problems, domestic violence, substance misuse, poor basic and life skills. Children often have behavioural problems and are not regular school attendees.

    However, services struggle to resolve these cases. Lots of different agencies are usually involved with different family members (such as children’s services, education welfare, voluntary organisations, housing departments as well as the police and criminal justice agencies). While families need help and support, they may not want to engage, or reject the help, or are offered it as an option to take up if they choose. Enforcement action has been sometimes been threatened but is not followed through.

    So despite months and years of intervention from agencies, they continue to damage themselves, their children and the community around them. Tackling problems in a way that meets both the needs of communities and of the families themselves is critical to resolving problems but these needs have sometimes been seen as mutually exclusive
    These are court-ordered projects.

    Respect - Members - YOT applications for parenting orders

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Instead of a knee jerk reaction, research is always helpful:
    Nothing was knee jerk reaction, that's spin on your part to try to take away from what I said. Everything I said was that everything has to go through the courts first. And I still am iffy of 24/7 surveillance of a family in their home. But previous people were saying that by accepting money from the government, such as welfare, you've abdicated your rights and the government may do as it likes including spying on you. Whereas I said that is not true, it's a legal system and the only way to infringe upon the rights of the individual is to go through the courts first.

    Instead of knee jerk reaction, reading is always helpful
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nothing was knee jerk reaction, that's spin on your part to try to take away from what I said. Everything I said was that everything has to go through the courts first. And I still am iffy of 24/7 surveillance of a family in their home. But previous people were saying that by accepting money from the government, such as welfare, you've abdicated your rights and the government may do as it likes including spying on you. Whereas I said that is not true, it's a legal system and the only way to infringe upon the rights of the individual is to go through the courts first.

    Instead of knee jerk reaction, reading is always helpful
    Oh, stop pouting.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Oh, stop pouting.
    I wasn't pouting, I was clarifying.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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