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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea I know.. Top Gear ftw. However was thinking more about ITV, Channel 4 and 5 Although does the BBC not have one of the dancing ones?
    You watch those channels?
    I haven't watched ITV since Trevor McDonald left and channel 5 just never, not since i was a little kid.

    Strictly come? Don't watch it.
    Have you been watching the series 13, omg Jay Leno is hilarious and when they went France


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    ITV is a really, really terrible channel. I really dislike it.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    You watch those channels?
    I haven't watched ITV since Trevor McDonald left and channel 5 just never, not since i was a little kid.

    Strictly come? Don't watch it.
    Have you been watching the series 13, omg Jay Leno is hilarious and when they went France
    Nope, because in this house.. one person rules the tv remote (and it aint me) and that person loves Strickly come Dance, X-Factor and so on...

    I get to watch Top Gear on reruns or from downloading on the net ... maybe I should stimulate the Spanish economy by buying a second dish for Sky TV!.. hmmmz
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Do nothing at all? No. We should take their children, put them up for adoption and require the miscreants to go on mandatory birth control to stay out of jail, or receive public assistance.

    I have zero interest in keeping criminal or highly dysfunctional families intact.
    In my opinion, mandatory birth control is truly underused as a crime prevention method.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Nope, because in this house.. one person rules the tv remote (and it aint me) and that person loves Strickly come Dance, X-Factor and so on...

    I get to watch Top Gear on reruns or from downloading on the net ... maybe I should stimulate the Spanish economy by buying a second dish for Sky TV!.. hmmmz

    I'm sorry to hear, i feel for you. I really do.

    Only one person controls the TV and computer in my house and that is me xD


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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In my opinion, mandatory birth control is truly underused as a crime prevention method.
    It is called Eugencis, and was used in the US, Nazi Germany and quite a number of European countries for decades. It targeted "undesirables" like gays, Jews, slavs, blacks, handicapped, "problem children" and other minorities.. The mild form was forced serialization of said groups so that they could not breed more "undesirables" and pollute society.

    Yes I am so against any form of forced birth control of any kind unless it is with the extremely mentally handicapped and only then in a case by case situation.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    'Just who the hell do you think you are to be able to levy liberty upon people or not?'

    And then you go onto decide that there is no levy on liberty - that everyone should get it - effectively creating the double-standard. What makes you so qualified to say EVERYONE deserves unhindered liberty but him not qualified enough to say liberty needs regulation as pertains to dysfunctional families?

    I agree with the due process of law. But you must understand that the people who are partaking in this to the extremities mentioned are people who are either actively not raising their children to a sufficient standard or are already using state legisation and assistance to their advantage.
    People are people, all people deserve liberty. I have no reason or ability to strip it away from anyone. The only acceptable means of doing so is through due process of law. If there is no crime or charges or conviction, then there is nothing anyone can do and people are free then to enjoy their liberty. This whole spying business on the "bad people" is a bad bad mentality to have and does not lead to any good place. Government will take that power, govenrment will abuse that power, government will expand that power. Near guaranteed. As such I don't believe anyone is able to grant or deny liberty, it's inherent to the person. The only way we have to restrict it is through the court system and we don't get to say who deserves it and who doesn't because that's the beginning of a bad, fascist, big brother path we would do well to avoid. Unless there is a crime committed, you can not rightfully infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual and that includes people who may or may not be taking advantage of welfare benefits.

    We have welfare, people can sign up and get benefits; that's it, deal with it. We cannot start saying that accepting that money is abdication of right and privilege. We can not say the "bad people" who abuse it should be watched more carefully, monitored in any way. Just because we have the program doesn't mean we get to infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual who participate in it. It's just going to happen, and there's going to be abuse along the line, if you can prove something in court fine; but if you can't then we just have to accept it.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes I am so against any form of forced birth control of any kind unless it is with the extremely mentally handicapped and only then in a case by case situation.
    So, in Pete world, a woman can have 5 children, physically abuse all of them, and you're in favor of her being able to continue to breed more offspring to abuse.

    Right?

    Because i've actually seen that happen, in practice.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Unless there is a crime committed, you can not rightfully infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual and that includes people who may or may not be taking advantage of welfare benefits.
    Have you proven that these people have not committed crimes?

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, in Pete world, a woman can have 5 children, physically abuse all of them, and you're in favor of her being able to continue to breed more offspring to abuse.

    Right?

    Because i've actually seen that happen, in practice.
    If she is abusing the kids then she goes to jail. Any offspring she does get, should of course get removed. And for the record we have such a case in Denmark right now.. she is on her 6th child I think, all the previous have been removed by the state. Her own sister is calling for her tube cutting.

    However as a principle I am against forced sterilization or birth control unless as I stated, in extreme cases and only a case by case basis.

    Should the woman in your example have her tubes tied? Maybe, but how about if she was not abusing her kids but only unemployed and living off the state? What then? Where is the limit? A woman having a kid with a Muslim? How about a woman having a 3rd child with a 3rd man? How about a lesbian? Or is it just drug addicts? How about former druggies? Drunks? people that smoke?

    The problem is that once you open up for forced birth control and it is not under very limited and extreme cases after a massive amount of review by government, doctors and professionals, then you risk going back to the bad old days of forced birth control based on race, religion, mental handicap and sexual orientation and worse and frankly I would most likely not be here today if we still lived under some of those laws. It was once that children born outside of wedlock were sterilized.. at least in some countries and in some cases only if the child was black or a minority, but it was done along with orphans.
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