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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    First off, people who file for Welfare and have a child to care for, should be legally unable to become pregnant and remain on Welfare for children born while on Welfare, as this is a means regularly used to remain in the system.
    You can't do any of that, not if you're looking for the maximization and garuntee of our rights and liberties. What you claim is counter to that. This is absurd. You may not like welfare, fine, argue against it. But while we have it you can't justly argue for the infringement of the rights and liberties of the individuals just because they have made the choice and qualify for welfare. They get to be on it, it's done. You may not like welfare all you want, and that's fine. You may want to get rid of it, and that's fine. But you cannot authorize the government to act against the rights and liberties of the individual while we have it. It's a legal program and you cannot punish people for doing nothing wrong. There is no justice in that, there is no freedom in that. It's counter to those, it's nothing short of an act of treason and tyranny. If people want to keep welfare going, then we just have to live with the fact that there will be some amount of abuse. Some poor people abusing the welfare program is the least of my worries. Government abusing its powers and duties is amongst the greatest of my concerns.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    If you advocate taking away basic civil liberties in the absence of conviction of a crime (or prisoner of war or some other thing not remotely in play here), you are simply an enemy to freedom. Try to wrap it up in pretty little bows as much as you want, but that's what you are.
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    If this comes to be, what will stop this from eventually reaching the masses, the population not under the classification of which this tyranny began? What would stop this from spreading to other countries, even to say the U.S?


    If this **** comes to the U.S... bye bye freedom, bye bye U.S.****ing.A
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Daily Express | UK News :: Sin bins for worst families



    You people in Britain who say you care about freedom had better get out there and protest this loudly, because if this sticks, it's over for you as a free country.

    How blatantly, literally Orwellian does it have to get for you to react?
    I am presently living on an estate where Anti Social Behaviour [ASB] is a real problem for the community. I decided, with a group of committed residents to take on the perpetrators. We have been successful in obtaining eviction orders for two families [only for them to be housed in another part of the city]
    There offences range from drug using/dealing, violent intimidation of vulnerable and elderly residents etc etc [Too many offences to list]
    The way our group has gone about its business is by providing the conduit between the community and all services that have the power to change things. It took the authorities 3 years to evict one family, that's 3 years the community had to suffer.
    So, i suggest this would be an important tool in combating these kinds of family. It runs in conjunction with 'the family intervention project' and believe me when i say you have got to be the most disruptive, despicable and dysfunctional to be put on such a project. These kind of families deserve NO LIBERTY when they take away the liberty, of the law abiding older and vulnerable members of the community.

    Edited to add, As i,m extremely passionate about this subject i feel it only fair i bring your attention to the two families of which were evicted. Family A- no father figure around [initially] 3 children, mother does not work. Mother a known drug user as are 2 of the children aged 13/15 as yet its not sure if the 8 yr old has started. Before they were evicted mother became pregnant by a 21 yr old-surprise, surprise Drug user!!

    Family B- Mother and Father present- neither work- 5 children. Mother and Father known drug users, before they left Mother went on a ' five week drug rehabilitation program' as yet the oldest child is nine, not sure if they are drug-users.

    Give them LIBERTY!!.....boy is my blood boiling

    Sorry for going on.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Though I understand the goal of this program, I am not inclined to give the government such rights. That being said, the majority if such families are most likely the Welfare families of the nation, and as the government is their provider, should have a say in ensuring that the household is being ran in a manner that will be conducive to raising children that will be good citizens and not re-breeding more Welfare abusers.
    Placing cameras in their homes will not end generational poverty. How can it?

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Edited to add, As i,m extremely passionate about this subject i feel it only fair i bring your attention to the two families of which were evicted. Family A- no father figure around [initially] 3 children, mother does not work. Mother a known drug user as are 2 of the children aged 13/15 as yet its not sure if the 8 yr old has started. Before they were evicted mother became pregnant by a 21 yr old-surprise, surprise Drug user!!

    Family B- Mother and Father present- neither work- 5 children. Mother and Father known drug users, before they left Mother went on a ' five week drug rehabilitation program' as yet the oldest child is nine, not sure if they are drug-users.
    Are any of those things crimes?

    If so, convict them and put them in prison.

    If not, this is just totalitarian stuff. Like I said, you might as well round them up into camps.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Are any of those things crimes?

    If so, convict them and put them in prison.

    If not, this is just totalitarian stuff. Like I said, you might as well round them up into camps.
    You guys do want freedom, you want anarchy, where parents can have their children hooked on drugs and infringe upon the rights of others, while we dare not infringe upon theirs.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Are any of those things crimes?

    If so, convict them and put them in prison.

    If not, this is just totalitarian stuff. Like I said, you might as well round them up into camps.
    Dealing drugs a crime....check the law if your a minor you cant be prosecuted.

    Conning your way into old peoples homes saying "i,m being chased by a stranger" crying whilst telling the story, then when the old lady went out of the room to phone the police he had gone with valuable possessions and her hand-bag. A crime....

    and so on, and so on.....

    If they could be locked up, it would be great. But we have too many, like yourself, liberal do gooders who do there up-most to keep the family unit together.

    Are they crimes!!

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Placing cameras in their homes will not end generational poverty. How can it?
    Pretty simple, really. The worst families are probably all a bunch of stinking criminals. Within a week they'll have disabled the camera and sold it at the nearest pawn shop. Of course, the government will come install another camera, which will then then be promptly disabled and hocked like the last one.

    This process will continue until only the taxpayers are poor.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    In other words, "we will add you biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile."
    Yes, by all means, we should allow the children of criminals to continue their undisrupted development into our next generation of criminals. After all, what will we do with all those prisons and the correctional industry if we DON'T produce more criminals to fill them in the future?

    Let's just be blunt here, shall we? The criminal percentage of the population is around 3% in the U.S. We know, from ten gazillion research studies on risk factors and child development, the conditions that predispose children to become offenders. We know it's a small number of young people in this category, and their families are a huge predictor of their future involvement in crime. Many of these families are, in essence, presently being paid by the government to produce our next generation of felons. Have any of you do-gooders spent even a day in your local project housing tract, working with these kids and their welfare-addicted parent(s)?

    Mama gotta have her nails, mama gotta have her satellite t.v. dish, mama gotta have her crank, but junior, he can live on McDonald's burgers and fries, if he gets any food at all.

    And in your views, we should do nothing to disrupt this process, even though it is happening before our very eyes.

    After all, families have a right to raise their children to be felons, if they want to. The constitution guarantees it...life, liberty, pursuit of criminality.
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