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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I've heard advication for the unreasonable, uncalled for, tyrannical monitoring of people who take government money to aid in their current financial situation. I'm just trying to see where your boarders are at. Those won't be the government's boarders, they'll take it farther of course. I just wanted to find out how far down this road you wanted to tread. There are people on welfare, there are some on there for quite some time. True. Some are not ideal parents, true. But that's not all, and I want to know how we find those specific people, and identify them correctly and if they have recourse other than living on the street digging through trash for food (which isn't much an alternative) to get off these lists and horrible horrible government monitoring of its populace.
    I equate lifetime Welfare recipients with felons. They do nothing more than rob the public. If people are found, in accordance with law, to be such abusers, than they deserve no more rights than the felons we incarcerate everyday.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Here in the US, there IS a mechanism in place to determine when this should and shouldn't happen -- it's the called 4th Amendment.
    So we get a warrant.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I equate lifetime Welfare recipients with felons. They do nothing more than rob the public. If people are found, in accordance with law, to be such abusers, than they deserve no more rights than the felons we incarcerate everyday.
    Well, since it's not an actual felony, how do you justify the infringement of rights and liberties? An act of treason and tyranny the likes not seen here in quite some time. You may equate them to anything you want, but they're not actually any of it. I mean, I could say "I equate religion with child abuse", if I get enough people to agree with that can I then infringe upon people who practice life long religion and raise their children in religious manners? Can I?

    You are in the wrong here, sorry but it's true. You are advocating acting against the rights and liberties of the individual without due process, without cause. Only based on prejudice, bias, and bitter ideals.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Daily Express | UK News :: Sin bins for worst families



    You people in Britain who say you care about freedom had better get out there and protest this loudly, because if this sticks, it's over for you as a free country.

    How blatantly, literally Orwellian does it have to get for you to react?
    I find it reprehensible that anyone would consider doing this, if these parents are so horrible they should either have their children taken or be arrested.

    It's even crazier that anyone would support this, it doesn't matter if it isn't you because it just opens the door to them extending it to other groups.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    So we get a warrant.
    No warrants without probable cause of a crime being committed. That's not what you advocate. You advocate wholesale monitoring, 24/7, simply because they took government money.

    Again, why can't a state monitor the inside of your car simply for using its roads, under your construct?
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No warrants without probable cause of a crime being committed. That's not what you advocate. You advocate wholesale monitoring, 24/7, simply because they took government money.

    Again, why can't a state monitor the inside of your car simply for using its roads, under your construct?
    Fine, it breaks privacy laws. So then if these parents are bad parents, then the children should be taken away and the Welfare removed.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Fine, it breaks privacy laws. So then if these parents are bad parents, then the children should be taken away and the Welfare removed.
    No one's arguing that they shouldn't.

    But you say if people take government money, then their rights are forfeit. That's indefensible.
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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Daily Express | UK News :: Sin bins for worst families



    You people in Britain who say you care about freedom had better get out there and protest this loudly, because if this sticks, it's over for you as a free country.

    How blatantly, literally Orwellian does it have to get for you to react?
    Well, if they were to implement this in the United States, I would be demanding 24/7 hour surveillance cameras in all government offices so that I can log into a web camera and make sure my tax payer dollars were not being wasted by state/government employees.

    What is this program costing the tax payer to implement? How much does it actually save the tax payer?

    Having to pay for the equipment, damage to the equipment, salaries for someone to monitor the device... I just don't see any realistic cost savings for this type of a program.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No one's arguing that they shouldn't.

    But you say if people take government money, then their rights are forfeit. That's indefensible.
    That is not what I said. I said those that abuse the system.

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    Re: SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    That is not what I said. I said those that abuse the system.
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    If the governement pays your bills, then you have given-up your freedom, as you have proven that you cannot survive on your own. To allow such people to propogate more Welfare seekers and teen gangsters would be an exercise in stupidity.
    And then you went on from there.

    Not that it really matters if you did limit it to "abuse the system," which I gather means staying on it for too long without trying to do anything else -- that's not a crime.

    If you're starting to see the madness of the position you held throughout this thread, then that's good.
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