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    Re: Iran is ready to build an N-bomb - it is just waiting for the Ayatollah's order

    Difference being creation is that those in power of one of those countries has stated a willfull desire to see the end of the other one and has funded continual terrorist attacks against it. Meanwhile one country, to my knowledge, has not had some of its highest ranking officials calling for the destruction and end the other nor been financing terrorist attacks against said country.

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    Re: Iran is ready to build an N-bomb - it is just waiting for the Ayatollah's order

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    Does it need saving from a nuclear armed Iran?

    This nation has no record of invasion, so probably not.
    Which one has been threatening to annihilate the other? Oh yeah, that would be Iran threatening to annihailate Isreal.


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    Re: Iran is ready to build an N-bomb - it is just waiting for the Ayatollah's order

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Difference being creation is that those in power of one of those countries has stated a willfull desire to see the end of the other one and has funded continual terrorist attacks against it. Meanwhile one country, to my knowledge, has not had some of its highest ranking officials calling for the destruction and end the other nor been financing terrorist attacks against said country.
    Many thanks.

    This would be a good point but for the simple fact that political interference in other territory nor threats against the regime/ statements against the regime equate to territorial aggression using battle groups of tanks airplanes etc etc.

    If somehow they do Id be interested to hear about how.

    Obviously they dont. As such although Iran certainly does meddle in its neighbors business, it continues to avoid direct confrontation. Moreover, Iran is quite a complex entity. It has little love for the Taliban and could be an useful ally to the West.

    Also, one should look at things from its point of view - right now it is surrounded by nuclear powers, Russia to the North, America, Isreal and the UK to the West and South, India and Pakistan to the East. You certainly wouldnt put up with that situation nor would I.

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    Re: Iran is ready to build an N-bomb - it is just waiting for the Ayatollah's order

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    Which one has been threatening to annihilate the other? Oh yeah, that would be Iran threatening to annihailate Isreal.


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    I doubt Iran has any intention of killing millions of Arabs just to rid itself of a regime it opposes.

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    Re: Iran is ready to build an N-bomb - it is just waiting for the Ayatollah's order

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    Meanwhile one country, to my knowledge, has not had some of its highest ranking officials calling for the destruction and end the other nor been financing terrorist attacks against said country.
    Perhaps you would find this an interesting read. Especially:

    Israeli intelligence and military operatives are now quietly at work in Kurdistan, providing training for Kurdish commando units and, most important in Israel’s view, running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran, whose position in the region has been strengthened by the war. The Israeli operatives include members of the Mossad, Israel’s clandestine foreign-intelligence service, who work undercover in Kurdistan as businessmen and, in some cases, do not carry Israeli passports.

    Asked to comment, Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, said, “The story is simply untrue and the relevant governments know it’s untrue.” Kurdish officials declined to comment, as did a spokesman for the State Department.

    However, a senior C.I.A. official acknowledged in an interview last week that the Israelis were indeed operating in Kurdistan. He told me that the Israelis felt that they had little choice: “They think they have to be there.” Asked whether the Israelis had sought approval from Washington, the official laughed and said, “Do you know anybody who can tell the Israelis what to do? They’re always going to do what is in their best interest.” The C.I.A. official added that the Israeli presence was widely known in the American intelligence community.


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    a retired C.I.A. counterterrorism chief, and Philip Giraldi, who served as the C.I.A.’s deputy chief of base in Istanbul in the late nineteen-eighties, said:


    Turkish sources confidentially report that the Turks are increasingly concerned by the expanding Israeli presence in Kurdistan and alleged encouragement of Kurdish ambitions to create an independent state. . . . The Turks note that the large Israeli intelligence operations in Northern Iraq incorporate anti-Syrian and anti-Iranian activity, including support to Iranian and Syrian Kurds who are in opposition to their respective governments.


    The PKK have probably killed more people than any Lebanese or Palestinian paramilitary organisation...

    In regards to this actual article I would hope the current Israeli President heeds the words of his predecessor "Part of our (Israel's) megalomania and our loss of proportions is the things that are said here about Iran."! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/wo.../30olmert.html

    "little" Israel should not conduct any type of operation that could disastrously destablise the region as that certainly would not be in their interests!
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    Re: Iran is ready to build an N-bomb - it is just waiting for the Ayatollah's order

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Many thanks.

    This would be a good point but for the simple fact that political interference in other territory nor threats against the regime/ statements against the regime equate to territorial aggression using battle groups of tanks airplanes etc etc.

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    Ah...

    So Israel, which is smaller than some Texas cattle ranches, should wait until the nukes fly or the tanks roll before acting?

    The fact is they can't. They are too small and their existence too precarious. Israel literally isn't much bigger than some US counties. It averages about 60 miles wide, and in places I think is only 14 miles wide... and bear in mind that large chuncks of that territory are held by a rather hostile Palistinian Authority.

    The USA could absorb a nuke, or ten, maybe even twenty, and still exist as a nation. One nuke would devastate Israel, two or three would wipe it off the map.

    Here is a few hints for those who think Iran would not kill all those Palistinians and Israeli Arabs: 1)Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians... and in the Mideast that's enough distinction to kill over, for many people. 2) Nobody really likes the Pali's, most other M.E. peoples hate them and don't want them in their country, they just use them as a political and media point against Israel. 3) If you take Iranian Presidente Mymood IsInajihad (sic) 's words at face value, he wishes to cause a megadeath-cataclysm to bring on the 12th Mahdi, their version of the 2nd Coming.

    Put all that together, and as far as Izzy striking Iran's nuke facilities, all I have to say is WHAT THE HECK IS TAKING SO LONG??? LETS GO ALREADY!!

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    Re: Iran is ready to build an N-bomb - it is just waiting for the Ayatollah's order

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Also, one should look at things from its point of view - right now it is surrounded by nuclear powers, Russia to the North, America, Isreal and the UK to the West and South, India and Pakistan to the East. You certainly wouldnt put up with that situation nor would I.
    If I was a criminal and had cops all around me with guns and I didn't have any, I probably wouldn't put up with that situation either...doesn't make me right or correct in wanting to have the gun.

    Iran is in full rights to attempt to get a nuclear weapon; they must do what they think is best for their country.

    America is in its full rights to retaliate, discourage, and stop in whatever fashion it inevitably wants; they must do what they think is best for their country, which can include aiding allies.

    I don't blame Iran for attempting to get a nuke...but neither do I blame the U.S. or Israel for wanting to stop it.

    As far as this moral equivalence bull****, you're not going to get me on it. No, everyone in the world shouldn't have everything anyone else does just because. Every nation is not equal, every situation is not the same, and life is not fair.

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    Re: Iran is ready to build an N-bomb - it is just waiting for the Ayatollah's order

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ah...

    So Israel, which is smaller than some Texas cattle ranches, should wait until the nukes fly or the tanks roll before acting?

    The fact is they can't. They are too small and their existence too precarious. Israel literally isn't much bigger than some US counties. It averages about 60 miles wide, and in places I think is only 14 miles wide... and bear in mind that large chuncks of that territory are held by a rather hostile Palistinian Authority.
    Interesting logic. Because Isreal is smaller, it should attack first.

    However, to get real for a moment, once the nukes fly Isreal is indeed mostly gone, but so too of course is most of Iran's cities wether or not Isreal is in fact rather small.

    This 'we are the smaller so we must strike first' logic is what has troubled Isreal for some years and also what got Hitler and the Nazis into trouble too with the Soviets.



    Here is a few hints for those who think Iran would not kill all those Palistinians and Israeli Arabs: 1)Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians... and in the Mideast that's enough distinction to kill over, for many people.
    Many thanks. However, the shia/ sunna schism is Islam is not enough to wipe out Palestinians, who's cause is a popular unifying factor in ME politics. Any ME nation that seeks leadership of the umma cannot do it by killing millions of muslims.

    2) Nobody really likes the Pali's, most other M.E. peoples hate them and don't want them in their country, they just use them as a political and media point against Israel.
    Interesting concept, but obviously false. The ME has taken large numbers of them in, been killed/ spilt blood in their name and spent billions. They are in fact central to the entire issue.

    3) If you take Iranian Presidente Mymood IsInajihad (sic) 's words at face value, he wishes to cause a megadeath-cataclysm to bring on the 12th Mahdi, their version of the 2nd Coming.
    Thats the trouble with taking things at face value. It ignores, grammar and context which reveal a quite different tone.

    Put all that together, and as far as Izzy striking Iran's nuke facilities, all I have to say is WHAT THE HECK IS TAKING SO LONG??? LETS GO ALREADY!!
    Its probably being the often sensible and shrewd people they are is whats taking them so long. Its likely they will not do anything, after all, the Iranians have built their facilities for research just like the Dimona one - deep underground.

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    Re: Iran is ready to build an N-bomb - it is just waiting for the Ayatollah's order

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If I was a criminal and had cops all around me with guns and I didn't have any, I probably wouldn't put up with that situation either...doesn't make me right or correct in wanting to have the gun.
    Quite true, it wouldnt. And if all those cops were not cops but self appointed marshals acting always in their own interest and not to be trusted one inch historically you would in fact be MORALLY correct in getting your own gun. This is very much like Irans situation.

    Iran is in full rights to attempt to get a nuclear weapon; they must do what they think is best for their country.

    America is in its full rights to retaliate, discourage, and stop in whatever fashion it inevitably wants; they must do what they think is best for their country, which can include aiding allies.

    I don't blame Iran for attempting to get a nuke...but neither do I blame the U.S. or Israel for wanting to stop it.
    Thank you. Interesting point. Will you keep to that if a war started that killed many of your own citizens?

    As far as this moral equivalence bull****, you're not going to get me on it. No, everyone in the world shouldn't have everything anyone else does just because. Every nation is not equal, every situation is not the same, and life is not fair.
    I totally agree. I often wonder why for example, blacks in your country did not accept their position and perception as both morally and physically inferior and forget about that civil rights nonsense - after all life is not fair and people are not equal.

    Or why did the Americans bother fighting for Independence from the UK? After all, the King was their lord and sovereign, not their equal. So why the defiance and bloodshed?

    Im not sure either of us can answer that. Those uber liberal types probably have something to say about it. They always do

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    Re: Iran is ready to build an N-bomb - it is just waiting for the Ayatollah's order

    Once again people seem to think that Ahmadinejad has power. The real power in Iran is not the President, but the Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who makes all final decisions. The President in Iran is like many other nations, figurehead who represents the nation in face only. He can select a cabinet, that must be approved. He can also select an agenda, that must be approved. He can also make decisions on the country's course, but again must be approved by Khamenei.

    While his comments to date have been idiotic, spiteful, offensive, etc.. they are also no different than if they were made by some moron on the street. Even if we buy the argument that he wants to destroy Israel (how he does this without destroying the Palestinians is curious), he has about has much power as a street sweeper in doing so. The Grand Ayatollah controls the Revolutionary Guard which is the power center

    p.s. You know you can read Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's personal blog .
    some of the comments:
    I see that you choose only what you like; this is very curios to see how much you love yourself and how much you think that people are stupid to believe that you never receive any critics.
    Youre one of the most stupid president ever ! Im sure about half of the comments posted of this blog are just totally fake and used as propaganda.
    Why would anybody want to listen to you. youre surpressive
    My personal favorite:
    I hope someone puts a bullet in your head very soon.
    die slow ...

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