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Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

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Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com

Remains of the first American lost in the 1991 Persian Gulf War have been found in the Anbar province of Iraq after a nearly 20-year search, the U.S. Navy said Sunday.

The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology has positively identified the remains of Captain Michael "Scott" Speicher, whose disappearance has bedeviled investigators since his jet was shot down over the Iraq desert on the first night of the 1991 war.

The Navy said the discovery illustrates the military's commitment to bring its troops home.

"This is a testament to how the Navy never stops looking for one of its own. No matter how long it takes," Commander Cappy Surette, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy, told FOX News.
 
I'm glad the family can finally have some closure.
 
Wow, what a waste of resources.
 
Orius said:
Wow, what a waste of resources.
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To the family of Captain Michael "Scott" Speicher, may God bless you and hold you in His hands during this difficult time.

For Captain Speicher.....

A slowly executed

Hand Salute!

Semper Fidelis.

Rest in Peace, Captain.
 
Orius said:
Wow, what a waste of resources.
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See Sir unlike your Country the United State doesn't rest till all of it's fallen Military is found and returned home. I have a simple request if you can't make a positive remark on this story then don't post anything.
 
Orius said:
Wow, what a waste of resources.
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Setting aside the fact that it's not like they had an entire squad that was desperately searching for him nonstop for the past 18 years...

The purpose of such a program is to demonstrate an ongoing commitment to members of the military. By doing so, the family and friends of this lost soldier, as well as the hundreds of thousands of people who read this story, will have their opinions of the military improved to some degree. It's a rational expenditure of resources.

Do you also get angry when troops take some of their military rations and share them with hungry neighborhood children? Do you feel like you've been cheated whenever the DoD sends over another shipment of soccer balls for kids to play with?
 
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Scorpion89 said:
See Sir unlike your Country the United State doesn't rest till all of it's fallen Military is found and returned home. I have a simple request if you can't make a positive remark on this story then don't post anything.
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If this were a civilian who had gone missing the search would have been given up ages ago. How many man hours, dollars, and resources were wasted on the recovery of a corpse? I appreciate it in priniple, but in practicality it's simply a waste. That's how I see it.

And last time I checked, freedom of speech is preserved on these forums. If you don't like hearing negative comments, then you shouldn't come here at all.

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RightinNYC said:
Setting aside the fact that it's not like they had an entire squad that was desperately searching for him nonstop for the past 18 years...

The purpose of such a program is to demonstrate an ongoing commitment to members of the military. By doing so, the family and friends of this lost soldier, as well as the hundreds of thousands of people who read this story, will have their opinions of the military improved to some degree. It's a rational expenditure of resources.
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I understand the PR potential of this story, but it doesn't change the fact. The dollars invested in finding the body have more value than the improved opinion in the military of a few people.

RightinNYC said:
Do you also get angry when troops take some of their military rations and share them with hungry neighborhood children? Do you feel like you've been cheated whenever the DoD sends over another shipment of soccer balls for kids to play with?
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You mistake my emotional investment, in that I have none. I'm not angry, just making an observation... and I would make the same observation if it were an 18 year-old search and rescue case for a civilian. Even a murder case would go into the cold files by that time.
 
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If this were a civilian who had gone missing the search would have been given up ages ago. How many man hours, dollars, and resources were wasted on the recovery of a corpse? I appreciate it in priniple, but in practicality it's simply a waste. That's how I see it.

And last time I checked, freedom of speech is preserved on these forums. If you don't like hearing negative comments, then you shouldn't come here at all.

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Maybe In C anada it would or China but not here in the State's as a matter of fact Cold Case are reviewed a few years by most Law Enforcement Folks. Oh and for the record unlike the Commanwealth Countries the United State's brings never stops searching for the MIA.

I suggest you go and read what JPAC does and the ongoing search's in the Pacific,South East Asia and in Europe.

As for your last comment yes I can ask you not to comment I started the thread if you don't have anything positive to say about this thread then don't post in it.
 
You state you are from Canada/China, therefore your observations and opinions are of no great importance to Americans. But, please, feel free to avail yourself of the freedoms our military, at great personal cost, have secured for the United States of America.
 
Orius said:
I understand the PR potential of this story, but it doesn't change the fact. The dollars invested in finding the body have more value than the improved opinion in the military of a few people.
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Says who? Do you know how much they spent? Were you privy to the discussions over valuation of PR?

You mistake my emotional investment, in that I have none. I'm not angry, just making an observation... and I would make the same observation if it were an 18 year-old search and rescue case for a civilian. Even a murder case would go into the cold files by that time.
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And again, you wouldn't have any idea of the costs and benefits in that case either.
 
Orius said:
I understand the PR potential of this story, but it doesn't change the fact. The dollars invested in finding the body have more value than the improved opinion in the military of a few people.



You mistake my emotional investment, in that I have none. I'm not angry, just making an observation... and I would make the same observation if it were an 18 year-old search and rescue case for a civilian. Even a murder case would go into the cold files by that time.
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The military people volunteer to do a great service to this country, unlike most civilians who might turn up missing and definitely not murderers. That you would try to equate the sacrifice of a military member with a lost hiker or a common criminal speaks volumes. The families of military members lost in action deserve to know what happened to their loved ones. It's their sacrifice too.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com

Remains of the first American lost in the 1991 Persian Gulf War have been found in the Anbar province of Iraq after a nearly 20-year search, the U.S. Navy said Sunday.

The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology has positively identified the remains of Captain Michael "Scott" Speicher, whose disappearance has bedeviled investigators since his jet was shot down over the Iraq desert on the first night of the 1991 war.

The Navy said the discovery illustrates the military's commitment to bring its troops home.

"This is a testament to how the Navy never stops looking for one of its own. No matter how long it takes," Commander Cappy Surette, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy, told FOX News.
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I'm glad they were able to find his remains. Looks like I have a POW bracelet that needs to go in the mail tomorrow.

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Welcome home, sir. You were never forgotten.

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Scorpion89 said:
As for your last comment yes I can ask you not to comment I started the thread if you don't have anything positive to say about this thread then don't post in it.
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You can ask me, but I don't have to listen. :2wave:

a777pilot said:
You state you are from Canada/China, therefore your observations and opinions are of no great importance to Americans. But, please, feel free to avail yourself of the freedoms our military, at great personal cost, have secured for the United States of America.
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I see that nationalism overrides the ability to engage in logical debate. How sad.

RightinNYC said:
Says who? Do you know how much they spent? Were you privy to the discussions over valuation of PR?
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No, were you?

RightinNYC said:
And again, you wouldn't have any idea of the costs and benefits in that case either.
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Since you're the expert, please provide me with a cost/benefit analysis.
 
The difference is Right's not the one making the outlandish claim "What a waste of resources", that was you. Its not on him to provide things that back up YOUR statement, that's on YOU.
 
Zyphlin said:
The difference is Right's not the one making the outlandish claim "What a waste of resources", that was you. Its not on him to provide things that back up YOUR statement, that's on YOU.
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He was the one who originaly said that the PR gained outweighs the cost. It's up to him to prove that positive statement, as I cannot prove a negative.

So you're wrong in that regard.

Second... there is obviously just a difference in views. If I were head of the military, and thankfully I'm not, I would not waste resources to find a body. We already know he's dead. Life goes on. I'd rather invest those resources on living people in the field.
 
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Orius said:
He was the one who originaly said that the PR gained outweighs the cost. It's up to him to prove that positive statement, as I cannot prove a negative.
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Actually, his came as a response to YOUR accusation which you've still yet to back up with any facts. Not to mention that he didn't say that it outweighed the cost, only that it was a rational use of resources based on what the fact that it didn't appear they were dedicated specific units of people to look for the man. Regardless, it was in response to YOUR unbacked claim.

So you're wrong in that regard.
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Nope

Second... there is obviously just a difference in views. If I were head of the military, and thankfully I'm not, I would not waste resources to find a body. We already know he's dead. Life goes on. I'd rather invest those resources on living people in the field.
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Well, we agree about one thing at least
 
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Zyphlin said:
Actually, his came as a response to YOUR accusation which you've still yet to back up with any facts. Not to mention that he didn't say that it outweighed the cost, only that it was a rational use of resources based on what the fact that it didn't appear they were dedicated specific units of people to look for the man. Regardless, it was in response to YOUR unbacked claim.
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It wasn't a claim, but an opinion. Notice how I never posted any dazzling statistics. I just felt it was a waste of resources, nothing more. It was Right who said that the value of the PR outweighs the cost of finding them... he then went on further to ask me if I have some insider information I'm not disclosing. So, while he's at it, he can provide me with some sources.

Now STOP butting your nose in and give him a chance to answer me. Thanks!
 
Orius said:
It wasn't a claim, but an opinion. Notice how I never posted any dazzling statistics. I just felt it was a waste of resources, nothing more. It was Right who said that the value of the PR outweighs the cost of finding them... he then went on further to ask me if I have some insider information I'm not disclosing. So, while he's at it, he can provide me with some sources.
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Why do you feel its a waste of resources? If during routine expeditions and searches in Iraq they found this man's remains, that would be a waste of resources to you? Right was ALSO stating an opinion, not an absolute fact, that he believes finding, confirming, and releasing information on missing soldiers is a reasonable use of funds. Why must his opinion be quantified with actual numbers before yours is?

Now STOP butting your nose in and give him a chance to answer me. Thanks!
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And last time I checked, freedom of speech is preserved on these forums. If you don't like hearing people inject negative comments, then you shouldn't come here at all.

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Boyfriend lived at Camp Speicher for a year during 2007. This has particular significance to him.

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Orius said:
Second... there is obviously just a difference in views. If I were head of the military, and thankfully I'm not, I would not waste resources to find a body. We already know he's dead. Life goes on. I'd rather invest those resources on living people in the field.
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The US military makes a commitment to never leave a fallen comrade in the field. The DPMO is still unearthing remains from the Vietnam War. For those who have spent forty or more years waiting for their loved one's return, it is very well worth the expenditure, and we can do nothing less than whatever it takes to find and return those remains.

Frankly, I don't have a lot of respect for those who think otherwise.
 
Zyphlin said:
Why do you feel its a waste of resources? If during routine expeditions and searches in Iraq they found this man's remains, that would be a waste of resources to you? Right was ALSO stating an opinion, not an absolute fact, that he believes finding, confirming, and releasing information on missing soldiers is a reasonable use of funds. Why must his opinion be quantified with actual numbers before yours is?
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Why does anyone's opinion have to be quantified? This particular discussion is very opinion oriented, evidenced by the fact that the U.S. is willing to search for its people indefinitely, while other countries would not be. Your country's policy, your country's choice. Why do I need to prove that my opinion is just as valid as yours?

Given this, Right asked me for a source first. He believed that the PR was worth it, and I didn't agree. Obviously there is no winning that argument. He started the quantification, not me. So stop spinning it to make it look like I'm the one who has been demanding proof all along, and not respecting opinion-based discussion.

I think it's a waste of resources. Your country can do whatever it wants.

And... if you want to spin words I said in the past about freedom of speech, at least make sure they are applicable. I never told you to stop posting (which was what someone told me to do, which was why I made a comment about freedom of speech), I told you to stop arguing on behalf of others. RightinNYC will reply when he means to.
 
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