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    Re: Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I wasn't trying to dictate your priotities? Stop being so defensive.

    You can stop attacking me for not being American any time now. Thanks.
    I feel sorry for you that you aren't American. That's the last thing I'd attack you for. Poor Canadians. It must suck to be internationally castrated.

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    Re: Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Listen Orius, this is essentially an obituary thread. You made an insensitive comment and people are holding your feet to the fire for it.
    I realize that, but it's not my job to hold their hand every time they have a temper tantrum because someone speaks against the grain. I won't pipe down as long as people are attacking me for having an opinion that doesn't coincide with their nationalism. I'm not American so I just might see things differently than they do. What a shocker.

    The fact that people can't even see why anyone would think that it's a waste of resources to look for a soldier for 18 years shows their bias. I haven't insulted the soldier or his family, but I think that a search and rescue for that long would take a lot of man power and money that could be better spent on living people who are still active. I won't apologize for that.
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    Re: Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The fact that people can't even see why anyone would think that it's a waste of resources to look for a soldier for 18 years shows their bias. I haven't insulted the soldier or his family, but I think that a search and rescue for that long would take a lot of man power and money that could be better spent on living people who are still active. I won't apologize for that.
    That's pretty ridiculous.

    I, for one, can see why a person would find that a waste of resources. It speaks volumes about that person's priorities and character. What it says exactly must be restricted to another forum on this site devoted to such remarks, though.

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    Re: Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The fact that people can't even see why anyone would think that it's a waste of resources to look for a soldier for 18 years shows their bias. I haven't insulted the soldier or his family, but I think that a search and rescue for that long would take a lot of man power and money that could be better spent on living people who are still active. I won't apologize for that.
    I think it's a mistake on your part to think that we don't understand WHY you think it's a waste of resources. I understand perfectly what your perspective is.

    It's just wrong, in light of my nation's ethics. If I wanted to live life by your warrior-less ethics, I'd move to a nation where my defense is subsidized by other nations with brave, red-blooded men & women still living in them. I'd know, every single day, that my nation was basically defenseless and beholden to the blood of the brave, amongst whose ranks I did not belong.

    I'd throw stones from a distance, telling them that they were wrong-headed and stupid, and that the money spent to retrieve the bones of a man who died almost 20 years ago was wasted. I'd do everything in my power to feel like less of a coward, from a nation lead by cowards.

    I'd be distinctly uncomfortable about the homage paid to the warrior culture by my neighbors to the south, knowing that my nation had essentially abolished everything that makes a nation free.

    Let me spell it out for you clearly:

    You know that we are somehow different from you, in a way that you cannot precisely articulate, and it makes your skin crawl.

    I think I speak for most of the Americans here when I say that we're okay with that difference. And, we're okay with your skin-crawling and your discomfort.

    You should feel those things. Your nation has surrendered everything that separates the free man from the slave, and you glory in your servitude.
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    Re: Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The fact that people can't even see why anyone would think that it's a waste of resources to look for a soldier for 18 years shows their bias. I haven't insulted the soldier or his family, but I think that a search and rescue for that long would take a lot of man power and money that could be better spent on living people who are still active. I won't apologize for that.
    Again, what rescources have been wasted?

    Its not as if they have combed every square inch of the Iraqi desert looking for this guy for 18 years. The search was likely intense in the beginning, and faded off and was handed down through the years(along with other cases), with small investigations into claims on his whereabouts over the years and they finally came upon solid information which led to the discovery of his remains.

    I fail to see how it is a waste of resources, when there are resources that are dedicated to this kind of mission.
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    Re: Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

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    You state you are from Canada/China, therefore your observations and opinions are of no great importance to Americans. But, please, feel free to avail yourself of the freedoms our military, at great personal cost, have secured for the United States of America.

    I see that nationalism overrides the ability to engage in logical debate. How sad.

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    I am a United States Marine and a Naval Aviator. Sad? No ****ing way.

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    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Sad?


    I am a United States Marine and a Naval Aviator. Sad? No ****ing way.

    Proud! Yes.
    I always love getting former military aviators when I fly. You can always tell you have one when they handle that big, fat 747 like it's an F-16 or something.

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    Re: Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I always love getting former military aviators when I fly. You can always tell you have one when they handle that big, fat 747 like it's an F-16 or something.

    Hey! You paid for a "ride". We just want to give you a "ride".
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    No, were you?
    Of course not, which is why I don't presume to know better than they do.

    Since you're the expert, please provide me with a cost/benefit analysis
    I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm not affirmatively claiming that it was a good investment. I'm saying that:

    1) The military is not populated by 35 IQ morons,
    2) They have obviously thought this topic through far more than you or I,
    3) They have access to far more information than you or I, and
    4) It would be absolutely foolish for me to assume that I can decide whether they're right or wrong based on my incredibly limited knowledge.
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    Re: Remains of U.S. Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found

    Search and rescue assets are a vital part of a standing military. Pilots are worth their weight in gold, and being able to recover them is a significant edge in combat. However, with the lack of pilots getting shot down in Iraq, the soldiers tasked to such roles are not being employed. Using them in missions of secondary priority like this is a reasonable use of resources. Considering the PR value in a time when recruiting is down, the cost benefit analysis is quite favorable.

    That said, people need to remember that war is a zero-sum game. Every resource spent in one place means that it isn't available somewhere else. Pilots get rescued because they are valuable, you don't see that kind of effort expended finding a rifleman. In this case it was reasonable to bring some closure to the family, but that isn't always possible.

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