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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nonsense.

    Guess what copyright laws are for?

    That's riiigght....it's to provide a legal mechanism to punish theives.

    The thief described in the OP just had his credit history ruined by a bankruptcy....for enabling others to steal a mere handful of songs.

    He was a thief and got caught. Just because not every thief can be caught doesn't mean stealing should be de-criinalized.

    Stealing copyrighted material is no different than stealing someone's TV. There's less risk, but the thief is still just a thief.
    It's a very retarded punishment system, when your catching .0001% of the people violating copyright, that tells me it isn't working or reasonably enforceable.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Then again, you could try to even SAY the word "copyright", and then you would at least have a chance of understanding the essential error of your ways.
    I understand that information is an intangible, it doesn't matter if it is copyrighted or not.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think the individual should be fined no more than the market value of the songs if he paid for them at a store.
    So Winona Ryder should only have had to pay back the cash value of her stolen goods, and everything would have been just dandy, eh?

    The reality is that stealing is a crime, and the intent of the law is to punish the criminal to deter further criminal acts. In the case of shoplifting, making the criminal pay for only his take is insufficient deterrence, since most shoplifters aren't caught.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I agree. The IP laws we have are overly weighted towards the content producers
    It went from a maximum of 28 years to life of the author plus 70 years and corporations get between 95 and 120 years of ownership.

    That is insane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    The same could be said about classified information. It is intangible and its spread cannot be controlled. We can only hope to punish those who distribute it without authorization. What makes other types of IP different that they should not be protected?
    If the information isn't securely held, then that's the way it's going to happen.
    I dislike classified information a lot because in many cases it has been bad things that they have done to us.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I agree. The IP laws we have are overly weighted towards the content producers
    The content producers are the owners. What's arbitrary is the termination of the protection at all. There's no natural reason that protection should not endure forever, being passed down to heirs and sold as property.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It went from a maximum of 28 years to life of the author plus 70 years and corporations get between 95 and 120 years of ownership.

    That is insane.
    I know, right? The ****ing constitution recognizes that IP is for the good of the public, not the good of the content producers, and that it should be protected only to promote more progress

    "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

    If the information isn't securely held, then that's the way it's going to happen.
    I dislike classified information a lot because in many cases it has been bad things that they have done to us.
    I don't really think this answers my question. Classified info is intangible, yet valuable, just like other types of IP. Should classified information be protected by law? If so, why should other types of IP be left unprotected by law?

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Humans are gradually moving towards being an information species, where all content which is released to the globo-sphere is accessible by all people at all times. It increases learning, enrichment, and progression of the species. Content providers will gradually move into the realm of producing content for the sake of distribution, and the transmitters will take that content and send it everywhere.

    Think of it as the first step towards a society that is connected beyond the confines of our individual selves. I have no doubt that once the ability to transmit stuff technologically with our minds is created, this system of exchange will accelerate.

    Free content providers are already flourishing. The corporate powers stuck in legal battles are the old providers dying off and struggling to continue living. They simply can't.

    Human society is evolving the way it interacts and the digital realm, with its content, are the means of doing so. This is the reason why I believe in sharing and distribution much more than I do IP laws. Modern information is made to be shared by its very nature. We aren't dealing with paper and tangible objects anymore, but information travelling via electricity.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Humans are gradually moving towards being an information species, where all content which is released to the globo-sphere is accessible by all people at all times. It increases learning, enrichment, and progression of the species. Content providers will gradually move into the realm of producing content for the sake of distribution, and the transmitters will take that content and send it everywhere.

    Think of it as the first step towards a society that is connected beyond the confines of our individual selves. I have no doubt that once the ability to transmit stuff technologically with our minds is created, this system of exchange will accelerate.

    Free content providers are already flourishing. The corporate powers stuck in legal battles are the old providers dying off and struggling to continue living. They simply can't.

    Human society is evolving the way it interacts and the digital realm, with its content, are the means of doing so. This is the reason why I believe in sharing and distribution much more than I do IP laws. Modern information is made to be shared by its very nature. We aren't dealing with paper and tangible objects anymore, but information travelling via electricity.
    This is all true, but it still makes me wonder how bands are going to support themselves, especially those that aren't big on live shows. Authors, too.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    The abstract parts of socitey are shifting towards ad-sponsored communism

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Last year we saw the end of SciFi channel's Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactic.
    Of the topic here, but that's excellent news. Is SciFi going to find good shows, finally, to put on the air?

    Maybe I'll start watching SciFi again, if they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Doesn't take rocket science to figure out if the revenue drops and it no longer makes economic sense to continue, who loses? Everyone does.
    Such is the nature and impact of theft on society.

    Would Feanor have made the Silmarils if he knew not only that they could be taken but nothing was going to be done to return them to their rightful owner?

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I know, right? The ****ing constitution recognizes that IP is for the good of the public, not the good of the content producers, and that it should be protected only to promote more progress

    "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."
    Even when you point that out, you'll still get a line of people saying over 100 years is reasonable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I don't really think this answers my question. Classified info is intangible, yet valuable, just like other types of IP. Should classified information be protected by law? If so, why should other types of IP be left unprotected by law?
    For the time being, I think I'll hold the stance that it shouldn't, mainly because it has been abused in years past. Not only that but anything produced by the government is owned by us.

    Case in point, army field manuals on how to make dangerous things are free available to the public.
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