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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sorry but once something moves from your sphere of control you have zero reasonable expectation of control.

    That is the problem with this situation, your expecting to own something outside your direct control which defies the principle of ownership.
    No, theft is theft. The laws are against copyright violation.

    Sorry cheap people that steal music off the internet are theives. You can't handle the label? Tough.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    It appears thieves do not like to be called that.
    Wow. Am I awesome or what?

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, theft is theft. The laws are against copyright violation.

    Sorry cheap people that steal music off the internet are theives. You can't handle the label? Tough.
    I don't care what you or anyone else calls me, it has no real relevance on my life.

    The problem with your argument is that you can't control intangibles once you release them from your brain. That's it, no more control.

    You zero expectation of control once your idea, song, whatever is told, shown or heard by someone else.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    It appears thieves do not like to be called that.
    I'm a thief, whoopty ****ing do.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sorry but once something moves from your sphere of control you have zero reasonable expectation of control.

    That is the problem with this situation, your expecting to own something outside your direct control which defies the principle of ownership.
    So is your problem with IP laws the fact that there's no way to prevent them from being broken, but only a way to punish those why have broken them?

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't care what you or anyone else calls me, it has no real relevance on my life.
    Whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The problem with your argument is that you can't control intangibles once you release them from your brain. That's it, no more control.
    Nonsense.

    Guess what copyright laws are for?

    That's riiigght....it's to provide a legal mechanism to punish theives.

    The thief described in the OP just had his credit history ruined by a bankruptcy....for enabling others to steal a mere handful of songs.

    He was a thief and got caught. Just because not every thief can be caught doesn't mean stealing should be de-criinalized.

    Stealing copyrighted material is no different than stealing someone's TV. There's less risk, but the thief is still just a thief.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You zero expectation of control once your idea, song whatever is told, shown or heard by someone else.
    Then again, you could try to even SAY the word "copyright", and then you would at least have a chance of understanding the essential error of your ways.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    So is your problem with IP laws the fact that there's no way to prevent them from being broken, but only a way to punish those why have broken them?
    Actually my real problem is with the time that one can hold copyright for, if it wasn't extended to unreasonable, insane periods of time I wouldn't argue my position.

    In reality though, that's the issue with IP it's an intangible that can't be controlled.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    So is your problem with IP laws the fact that there's no way to prevent them from being broken, but only a way to punish those why have broken them?
    That's pretty much how all laws against theft work.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    It appears thieves do not like to be called that.
    Thieves apparently take exception to honest appraisals.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Actually my real problem is with the time that one can hold copyright for, if it wasn't extended to unreasonable, insane periods of time I wouldn't argue my position.
    I agree. The IP laws we have are overly weighted towards the content producers

    In reality though, that's the issue with IP it's an intangible that can't be controlled.
    The same could be said about classified information. It is intangible and its spread cannot be controlled. We can only hope to punish those who distribute it without authorization. What makes other types of IP different that they should not be protected?

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