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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Another thief gets busted.
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    ...again.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Thanks for failing to add substance to a thread...

    ...again.
    What else is there to add Osrius? I approve of this guy getting busted for being a thief.

    Would you like a long worded explanation for why I have little patience for people that both download, and share IP that is not theirs to share. Why I believe that artists, actors, software designers, writers and others vulnerable to this sort of theft should be given all the support we can to STOP the stealing?

    The kid should be in jail IMHO, not just fined.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    They are deprived of distributing 'their' property it in the way they choose.


    When a person illegally takes possession of another's property (whether or not it is just a copy), not only are they violating a 'Right", it can still be defined as theft, stealing and even larceny.

    That doesn't make sense since in this cae you are making a copy of the property, not taking control of another's property in such a way where theft was originally (and continually to this day) defined. You must deprive them of their property, not infringe upon rights, to constitute a theft.

    Grokster/morpheus, Dowling v. U.S... they prove you wrong.

    BTW: They still have their right to go after those who violate their rights - to maintain their rights, so to day they are deprived of the right to distribute, IMO, is fallacious.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    You need to learn the difference between theft and piracy. They are not the same thing. One involves removal of the original, the other involves making copies and distributing without permission.

    Prirates are thieves, too.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Prirates are thieves, too.
    Yeah, but if they were simply making copies of the money they took rather than just stealing it from people their historical mark probably wouldn't be as big.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Prirates are thieves, too.
    And your factual basis for this is? Last I checked, piracy was priracy, murder was morder, rape is rape, and theft is theft, but piracy != murder != rape != theft.

    I think the kid should have some sort of penalty for what he did since he was caught, but certainly the punishment - especially with the likes of the RIAA/MPAA in control - do NOT fit the crime.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    You still didn't explain how they were deprived of something, you just said they were and moved on without actually elaborating.
    Because it's seems too obvious to have to elaborate on! They are missing out on the money that is due them from creating the song. It's the exact same as taking money right out of their wallet. And, luckily, the law recognized that to the tune of $650,000. Same applies to an endless number of other things. You cannot copy and then distribute a drug or any other patented or copyrighted product for the exact same reason. It's theft, plain and simple. And I would also have criminal penalties added on the civil ones.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    And your factual basis for this is? Last I checked, piracy was priracy, murder was morder, rape is rape, and theft is theft, but piracy != murder != rape != theft.
    My factual basis? He took something that did not belong to him and then distributed it. That is theft. Sorry. Piracy is, by definition, stealing.

    I think the kid should have some sort of penalty for what he did since he was caught, but certainly the punishment - especially with the likes of the RIAA/MPAA in control - do NOT fit the crime.
    I actually agree with that bit. I think the penalty should depend on how many copies were distributed. In other words, actual damages to the artist, plus a little fine because he's a thief. But what he got was indeed too harsh.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Not only is the law inconsistently applied, it flies in the face of the will of the people. How many people in the United States actually want to see downloading made illegal so people can face such steep penalties? Definitely not the majority.

    The U.S. continues to prove that it is looking out for the assets of the barons of industry before they are looking out for the welfare and security of citizens. $650,000 for 30 songs is an outrageous penalty, and it could have been even higher.

    The student said that if the verdict sticks, he will have to file for bankruptcy. Another life ruined, all because the music industry wants to set an example. These companies are the ones destroying music, not the downloaders.

    Now please excuse me while I download 50 songs in protest.
    Copyright violation is theft.

    Period.

    The will of the people be damned, theft is theft, and the wonderful "people" should stick to raising taxes if they want to steal.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Copyright violation is theft.

    Period.

    The will of the people be damned, theft is theft, and the wonderful "people" should stick to raising taxes if they want to steal.
    Sorry but once something moves from your sphere of control you have zero reasonable expectation of control.

    That is the problem with this situation, your expecting to own something outside your direct control which defies the principle of ownership.
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