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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm a thief, whoopty ****ing do.
    I'm sure some pedophiles don't mind being called that, either. That's up to you. I'm merely pointing out a fact. Your response to said fact is neither here nor there.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by galenrox View Post
    The record company has the right to pursue this course of legal action, but that said the fine is only so substantive because it is a given that the law will be applied inconsistently. As the chances of any individual downloader getting caught is very small, they have to make the fines gigantic in order to make it prove to be a significant disincentive. The problem with that logic is that they mostly go after college kids, who are usually within throwing distance of bankruptcy anyway, so it's guaranteed to fail in the goal which it is set out to achieve. So as it's punishing one for the crimes of others (as the punishment would be much less if it weren't for all of the uncaught individuals they are attempting to dissuade) and it doesn't get any of the benefit it seeks to get, it's a bad law.
    So what you're saying is that the guy who broke the law, by uploading the material, is an innocent babe.

    Nice.

    No. The accused was found guilty, the law allows, as the link in the OP states, a wide range of damages to be found, from $750 to $30,000 per violation, and it was the jury, his peers, that set the fine, not the court itself.

    One could argue over the injustice of $30,000 per violation, but that's irrelevant to the fact that the boy did the crime, so he shouldn't be whining about doing the time (or paying the fine).

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    This is all true, but it still makes me wonder how bands are going to support themselves, especially those that aren't big on live shows. Authors, too.
    The answer is simple: people are still going to buy their works.

    Even at the peak of piracy, before the corporations started their draconian campaign to attack content sharers, artists were still making money. They will always make money.

    What this is about is profit maximization. A select few corporations in the recording industry didn't meet their quarterly projections for a few years, and got mad. They still made money, but because they didn't make as much money as the year before, this alarmed them. This is the context for the entire battle.

    YES, they are technically correct about IP laws which is why they have the right to pursue it, but IP laws have never been enforced to this insane degree before. What they are lobbying for is more common enforcement, and harsher enforcement.

    Art, literature, and information are not meant to be locked in a tower this way. ALL people should have access to it, because there will always be people who buy it!

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    This is all true, but it still makes me wonder how bands are going to support themselves, especially those that aren't big on live shows. Authors, too.

    It's getting tougher. I cannot imagine being able to survive as a musician without touring. At least the thieves can't steal that from you.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    I'm sure some pedophiles don't mind being called that, either. That's up to you. I'm merely pointing out a fact. Your response to said fact is neither here nor there.
    It's pretty lame to equate information piracy to pedophilia.

    Labeling people is a weak attempt to win an argument when you have nothing else to go on.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    It's getting tougher. I cannot imagine being able to survive as a musician without touring. At least the thieves can't steal that from you.
    Artists sign contracts with these big record companies. Their alottment is already guaranteed from the start. The artists in the big corporate sector are not hurting. It's the corporations themselves who are, because they cannot maximize profit. Notice how it's only American companies who are staging this global campaign against downloaders?

    Other companies don't give a damn, and if they do, they aren't attacking their own society for it.

    Their campaign will fail in the long term.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I always wondered about this from a property rights stance. I buy the CD, it's mine. Period. If I want to make a copy and give it to my son, that should be my right.
    No.

    You bought the CD, not the copyright.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    What's next? Cars? "Well sir, YOU bought the car, not your son. He cannot drive it unless you pay an additional fee."
    Wrong analogy. To be similar, you'd have to be willing and able to build an identical copy of that car, violating any number of patents to do so.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Artists sign contracts with these big record companies. Their alottment is already guaranteed from the start. The artists in the big corporate sector are not hurting. It's the corporations themselves who are, because they cannot maximize profit. Notice how it's only American companies who are staging this global campaign against downloaders?

    Other companies don't give a damn, and if they do, they aren't attacking their own society for it.

    Their campaign will fail in the long term.
    You mean the stockholders of the record company are being robbed when you download illegally. You're taking money from them.

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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's pretty lame to equate information piracy to pedophilia.
    I was not equating the two from a moral standpoint. I was merely pointing out that most people doing immoral things do not mind being labeled.

    Labeling people is a weak attempt to win an argument when you have nothing else to go on.
    It is indeed. Except when the label is simply a statement of fact.
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    Re: Student ordered to pay $650,000 for downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Artists sign contracts with these big record companies. Their alottment is already guaranteed from the start. The artists in the big corporate sector are not hurting. It's the corporations themselves who are, because they cannot maximize profit. Notice how it's only American companies who are staging this global campaign against downloaders?
    Even if what you said is true, and it's not, it doesn't matter. Stealing from Bill Gates is still stealing.
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