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    Re: Prayer healing case convicted of homicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I'm glad that courts and juries are setting a standard of convicting these people for their stupid behavior. This girl would could be alive today if it weren't for such a level of arrogance.
    The sad thing here is that is not an issue of freedom of religion but it's a case of child neglect and or obuse. Peopleliketheseso called parents tend to hide dehind the veil of freedom of religion.

    In his case the decision was proper.

    Not to divert this thread but did anyone think of what if this case was appealed and Sotomajor had to rule on it and she rled against the parrents I wonder how much the Limbaugh flock of ditto heads freaks would scream that she is a Godless Communist and anti-religious. Just offering this in theory of course.
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    Re: Prayer healing case convicted of homicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay, you're reasonably consistent. May I ask why the qualifier, however?
    Well, now that I have thought about it: I just think it seems more insidious when religion is involved. It is so very ironic that most religions teach some sort of humility, but on the whole the manifestations of belief seems like such big ego orgies.

    Now, because people can become so twisted up with their dogmas, I am more appalled at the dynamic, because I think of it as something that can spread, like a cancer. Or spontaneously arise given the right conditions. Now, while whack jobs will arise under many other conditions, Religion is like Miracle Gro for wackiness. Wackiness is almost amusing until it is mixed with righteousness . . . it is then that we seem to really acquire a societal problem.

    After all, the parent supposedly really believed that God promised and would grant a healing. What choice did they have other than to follow through with that unique belief? Do they doubt God's word, heaven forfend?

    This dogmatism cannot be found with such force in things like aromatherapy movements, though it does of course exist. It is the dogmatism that I find appalling, coupled as it is with the intoxication of having God's approval.

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    Re: Prayer healing case convicted of homicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I'm glad that courts and juries are setting a standard of convicting these people for their stupid behavior. This girl would could be alive today if it weren't for such a level of arrogance.
    One more step in the direction away from freedom.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Prayer healing case convicted of homicide

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    One more step in the direction away from freedom.
    Are you serious?
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Prayer healing case convicted of homicide

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Potentially is the word. But tons of people die in hospitals every year. That's not proof she would have lived.
    The odds would have certainly been in her favor. Don't be so obtuse.

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    Re: Prayer healing case convicted of homicide

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Prosecutors said the girl couldn't walk, talk, eat or speak.

    Sounds like she was beyond help.
    Yeah, because they let it go and the disease progressed. You don't just end up that way overnight. With treatment that would have most definitely been avoided.

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    Re: Prayer healing case convicted of homicide

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    One more step in the direction away from freedom.
    Are you ****ing for real? Can you even imagine the suffering that kid went through because of her fanatical crack pot parents?

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    Re: Prayer healing case convicted of homicide

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Are you serious?
    Very serious. It's not the government's job, nor it's place to protect us from our own stupidity. If this girl's parents are stupid enough to think that prayer, alone is going to save their daughter, then they are dumb as hell. This girl is a product of that union. She'll grow up to be just as stupid, breeding her own kids that are just as stupid, if not moreso. The cycle has to end. We can't disallow stupid people to extint themselves. Besides that, it's a violation of religious freedom.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Prayer healing case convicted of homicide

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Very serious. It's not the government's job, nor it's place to protect us from our own stupidity. If this girl's parents are stupid enough to think that prayer, alone is going to save their daughter, then they are dumb as hell. This girl is a product of that union. She'll grow up to be just as stupid, breeding her own kids that are just as stupid, if not moreso. The cycle has to end. We can't disallow stupid people to extint themselves. Besides that, it's a violation of religious freedom.
    Dude, I'm a Libertarian and even I think you're out of your mind. We aren't talking about someone wanting to home school their kids or teach them neo-Nazism or something. We're talking about parents whose neglect caused this child to suffer and lose her life. What they did is murder, even if that wasn't their intention. Yes, she was their child but that does not give them the right to kill her.

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    Re: Prayer healing case convicted of homicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    Dude, I'm a Libertarian and even I think you're out of your mind. We aren't talking about someone wanting to home school their kids or teach them neo-Nazism or something. We're talking about parents whose neglect caused this child to suffer and lose her life. What they did is murder, even if that wasn't their intention. Yes, she was their child but that does not give them the right to kill her.
    "Libertarian", is nothing but a term to describe folks who are embarressed to call themselves Liberals.

    What we're talking here, are two people who trully believed that prayer would save their kid. The government has no right to prosecute them for their beliefs. If the government wanted to get involved, they should have remanded custody of the child. Since the kid is dead, the government no longer has a roll. What they did is no different than taking their kid to a doctor, believing that the doctor can save her and she died, anyway. Should the parents in that case, along with the doctor be tried for murder? I know, let's do away with wrongful death lawsuits and go straight to murder trials.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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